The Official "Lost" the series discussion

[Deberg_1990]

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Silock

Interesting. I'll have to re-watch it sometime. But first, I'm going to watch every episode from the very beginning just to see if I'm REALLY missing a bunch of shit, or if they just made it all up as they went along. Or, third option -- I'm far dumber than I think I am, which is ENTIRELY probable.

Here's the deal: From a story standpoint (and TV series) it was a simple concept. Even though most people thought that the writers were making it up as they went along, the most important part of the show, The Theme, never changed.

I'm sure the pitch went something like this:

We have a show about a Hero and his journey. His very soul lies in the balance. His journey is one of redemption. If he can redeem himself, he'll save his soul and the souls of his followers. If he can't, they'll all end up soulless and in a Hell.

Sounds sorta interesting, but nothing really new and exciting, right?

So then they add this:

What separates this Hero's journey and our story is that it follows a group of people that were in a devastating plane crash that end up on a lush tropical island. But the island really isn't a tropical island. There are polar bears, unexplained electromagnetic power, several groups allied against our survivors and a game being played that could decide the fate of everyone on the island.

Now, there were many failed plot devices including Aaron, Walt, Jack's tattoos, Mr. Eko and more. The show was able to rebound but they never fully explained those devices and instead, decided to cover it up by stating the show was really about redemption. Not about EM, Dharma, Egyptian statues, etc.

If you re-watch all of the episodes, I'm sure that the finale will have more meaning and you may have an epiphany as to what really happened in the end.

Or not.

[Mile High Mania]

Bottom line... I don't think they ever intended to wrap it up in a nice li'l bow for everyone at the end. If you weren't a fan of the show, well I've got nothing for you. If you were a fan of the show, you likely were drawn in by all the mystery and the new things that were always presented.

It ended with a number of credible interpretations of what happened... that's the deal, that was their goal. If you don't appreciate it that and you were really expecting one 'matter of fact' finality of it all... well, I think that was crazy to expect.

I thought it was a great ending to a great show... lots of questions still remain, but I think that's the point... after six years of devoting a great deal of time to this show... we're still a bit lost and that's the way it should be with this one.

[KingPriest2]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm sorry, but I fully disagree.

Kate was a "never" a mom because Aaron was never born. Neither was Sun & Jin's baby.

The Dead can't procreate.

You're not taking into account every facet of the show, from beginning to end. You're basing your conclusions on a few things said in the final few episodes.

You can either choose to dig deeper and re-examine your beliefs. Or not.

Either way, it's of no consequence to me.

Aaron was born because it actually happened Darlton stated so

Dude I watched from the beg I am not taken it from the last few episodes.

The plane did not crash Darlton stated so

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by KingPriest2

Aaron was born because it actually happened Darlton stated so

Dude I watched from the beg I am not taken it from the last few episodes.

The plane did not crash Darlton stated so

Where are you getting this information? And if Aaron was born, where was he in the finale?

Again, I think you're taking all of this far too literally, but that's your prerogative.

And if the plane did not crash, what was the final scene?

[Mile High Mania]

The dead can't procreate - true. And, that's why women couldn't get/stay pregnant and actually birth a child.

I'm not 100% convinced though that everyone died on the 815 crash. I think all of that did happen... they did make their way off the island once and return... that's where Aaron and Sun's baby are, they're in the real world before they returned. However, the flash sideways was not real.

The characters from their time on the island appeared in the flash sideways when they died, and once they 'remembered or awakened', they were able to move to the other side. Some were unable to remember (Charlotte) and some remembered (Ben), but were not ready to move on ... maybe because he was waiting for Danielle and Alex.

[KingPriest2]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Love to see me try? What's your problem?

First off, the reason that Jack has had blood on his neck inexplicably throughout this season is because he's actually been dead this entire time. As for the clothes, I explained this earlier: When you dream, are you wearing the same clothes you wore that day?



That's YOUR interpretation, not mine.

This entire show was about one man's journey. His personal struggle with science versus faith. He was not going to "heaven" until he found faith. Everything else was created in his mind as a way to get there.

As I stated earlier, believe what you want to believe. I'm not here to change anyone's mind.

Didnt you mention DREAM here?

[Mile High Mania]

I think Dharma found the island and truly did set up shop to study it's scientific properties... they brought the animals (don't forget the shark with the Dharma logo from the season when they showed the underwater station).

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by KingPriest2

Didnt you mention DREAM here?

You're kind of an annoying, nitpicky bitch. Did you know that?

I'd like for YOU to answer a question for once, instead acting like the Grand Inquisitor.

[KingPriest2]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Where are you getting this information? And if Aaron was born, where was he in the finale?

Again, I think you're taking all of this far too literally, but that's your prerogative.

And if the plane did not crash, what was the final scene?

I agree with you in regards about the Hero and being redeemed We do agree about that. You described it well

I m getting my info from hearing it directly from Darlton.

Aaron wasn't in the finale because its the same as Walt. They probably had other people more important then the survivors. Also Aaron was a infant-toddler So he wouldn't really be connected emotionally with them.

The final scene was how Doc Jenson explained it

[KingPriest2]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're kind of an annoying, nitpicky bitch. Did you know that?

I'd like for YOU to answer a question for once, instead acting like the Grand Inquisitor.

LOL We both can be.

To be honest I was looking for your reaction to the finale since last night because I do think you do put thought into it. We both agree on everything except for the plane crashing.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by KingPriest2

I agree with you in regards about the Hero and being redeemed We do agree about that. You described it well

I m getting my info from hearing it directly from Darlton.

Aaron wasn't in the finale because its the same as Walt. They probably had other people more important then the survivors. Also Aaron was a infant-toddler So he wouldn't really be connected emotionally with them.

The final scene was how Doc Jenson explained it

Maybe they just weren't dead yet....

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

The dead can't procreate - true. And, that's why women couldn't get/stay pregnant and actually birth a child.

I'm not 100% convinced though that everyone died on the 815 crash. I think all of that did happen... they did make their way off the island once and return... that's where Aaron and Sun's baby are, they're in the real world before they returned. However, the flash sideways was not real.

The characters from their time on the island appeared in the flash sideways when they died, and once they 'remembered or awakened', they were able to move to the other side. Some were unable to remember (Charlotte) and some remembered (Ben), but were not ready to move on ... maybe because he was waiting for Danielle and Alex.

I disagree and I feel (IMO) that some people are hypothesizing and looking in the wrong places.

Everyone on the island was dead. No one went back to the real world and no children were born. It was all a plot device so that Jack would conclude his journey to redeem his soul and the souls of the other Losties.

The Flash Sideways was once again, a plot device to show that once Jack redeemed himself, the others would be redeemed as well. Plus, people like a happy ending.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I disagree and I feel (IMO) that some people are hypothesizing and looking in the wrong places.

Everyone on the island was dead. No one went back to the real world and no children were born. It was all a plot device so that Jack would conclude his journey to redeem his soul and the souls of the other Losties.

The Flash Sideways was once again, a plot device to show that once Jack redeemed himself, the others would be redeemed as well. Plus, people like a happy ending.

I don't know who's right, but I like all the different theories... I think a strong argument can be made for several ways to wrap this one up.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by KingPriest2

I m getting my info from hearing it directly from Darlton.

Where? I've got them on Twitter and have seen nothing of the sort. I've read and listened to every interview I could find (save for last night's because it was far too late - I'll watch it tonight) and heard nothing remotely like you're describing.

My wife went to the Paly festival in March and my question (through my wife) was the first question addressed by the panel, which included the actors, Cuse, Bender & Lindelof.

[Mile High Mania]

Also, I don't need 100% closure on this one... I like all the mystery and the mystery involved.

I do think the final scenes during the credit say a lot.