NFL Draft How do you guys feel about these guys in the 3rd round ?

royr17 · 04-26-2008, 08:51 PM

Tell me how do you guys feel about these 3 guys in the 3rd round.

WR Early Doucet
OT Anthony Collins
DE Brian Johnston

Early Doucet could become that # 2 receiver, he's 6 foot 209 lbs, he ran a 4.59 40 time, but speed isnt everything, its about how you play the game. The reason why he wasnt drafted already I feel is because he spent most of his time behind Dwayne Bowe and Craig Davis but finally got a shot last year and did fairly ok and then had a injury.

Here are his stats :
Year GP Rec Yds YPC TD
2004 12 18 257 14.3 2
2005 12 26 389 15.0 5
2006 13 59 772 13.1 8
2007 10 57 525 9.2 5

Anthony Collins is a good Offensive Tackle prospect to look as a replacement on the right side for when we part ways with Damion McIntosh. Plus he could play Left Tackle if needed too.

Brian Johnston, dont know much about this guy, except that he went to college at Gardner-Webb, Im guess thats a division II school. At the NFL Combine he ran a 4.66 40 time and is 6-5 274 lbs, so he is pretty good size boy.

Here are his career stats :
Year GP TKL TFL SACK
2004 9 58 5.0 2.0
2005 13 59 12.5 5.0
2006 11 77 14.0 8.0
2007 10 67 20.5 6.0

So tell me what you guys think about my 3rd pick selections.

royr17 · 04-26-2008, 08:57 PM

Mecca · 04-26-2008, 08:58 PM

Um I like Doucet but I think better players will be available at the other spots, When guys like DaJuan Morgan are available I can't see taking Brian Johnston.

**doomy3** · 04-26-2008, 08:58 PM

Hey, there's a whole thread about this. Plus, why the hell would you bump your own thread after 6 minutes?

royr17 · 04-26-2008, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doomy3

Hey, there's a whole thread about this. Plus, why the hell would you bump your own thread after 6 minutes?

Because it was gettin down the list too far and I didnt think anybody would see it.

Pitt Gorilla · 04-26-2008, 09:12 PM

Stryker Sulak beat Collins like a rented mule. I wonder what NFL ends will do to him?

milkman · 04-26-2008, 09:15 PM

Ireally don't like any of those guys in the third round.

KCinNY · 04-27-2008, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Stryker Sulak beat Collins like a rented mule. I wonder what NFL ends will do to him?

PFT.

Stewie · 04-27-2008, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Stryker Sulak beat Collins like a rented mule. I wonder what NFL ends will do to him?

Collins had a bad wheel in that game. I'm pretty sure he'll go in the third round because he has big upside potential.

DenverChief · 04-27-2008, 06:53 AM

Doucet really intrigues me......this O'Connell QB milkman was talking about too

royr17 · 04-27-2008, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stewie

Collins had a bad wheel in that game. I'm pretty sure he'll go in the third round because he has big upside potential.

Yea and I hope its the Chiefs that take him too, that would be so great, then we would have our left and right tackles.

Chiefmanwillcatch · 04-26-2008, 09:23 PM

draftscout articles are confusing.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/an...ollins?id=1258

Analysis Positives: Has a big frame with the potential to add more bulk with no loss of quickness...Possesses broad shoulders, good arm length and adequate overall strength with above-average initial quickness for his position...Has a wide waist and hips with good lower-body thickness...Shows good balance and arm rise and extension coming out of his stance to quickly hook the defender on drive blocks...Has adequate change-of-direction agility, but does a good job of dropping his weight and keeping his pads low in order to bend at the knees better (this allows him to create, hold lanes and anchor with good consistency)...Good competitor who hustles back to protect the pocket and while he does not put away defenders with tremendous force (gets stalemated when he gets too tall in his stance), he works hard to finish...Has good preparation skills and is a solid worker in the training room...Capable of handling the mental aspect of the game and showed marked improvement the second half of 2007 in attempts to chip to the second level...Has the strength to sit down and anchor...Is not a mauler, but he is effective at creating and holding a wide crease for the ground game...Shows good hand punch on the rise, gaining movement off the line while staying low in his stance...When he maintains his wide-leg base to sustain blocks and keep his feet moving, he can properly wall off and seal when pulling for the ground game...Will generally come off his blocks with good hand placement (does short arm)...When he plays the game flat-footed, he has enough short-area quickness needed to get to the second level...Better blocking in-line than sliding in pass protection (gets a little lead-footed in his retreat), but when he uses proper knee bend in pass protection, he is more effective in attempts to mirror the defender...Has good pop on contact with his hands and can surprise a defender with a heavy punch...Uses his size well to wall off and is showing better confidence in his feet when trying to gain position...When he keeps his feet underneath him, he is effective setting up to protect the edge...Shows good arm extension to make reach blocks, but will sometimes lunge and overextend...More of a position blocker, but can get good movement on drive blocks...Does not have the brute strength to overpower, but plays with good balance and control to cut off and readjust to in-line moves...Flashes better aggression blocking in-line and delivers a hand punch into the defender's chest consistently...Has the big, flexible hands to lock on, steer and control...Keeps a good base and even when he overextends, he can recover...Does a good job of keeping his feet moving after initial contact...Will sometimes drop his hands to reload, but with his long arms, he is quick to recover...Shows better punch than catch in pass protection and while he looks a bit sluggish redirecting, he has good balance and anchor when he keeps his weight forward and plays flat-footed.

Negatives: Has good straight-line quickness out of his stance, but needs to refine his footwork, as he is too inconsistent with his kick slide to get back and mirror edge rushers (has a tendency to get up on his toes in pass protection, as the more physical defenders capitalize on this to rock him back on his heels)...Might be a better fit at right tackle or inside at guard, as he lacks the hip snap and lateral movement to get out in front and impact block for perimeter runs...Has a decent hand punch, but will sometimes revert to "short arming" and needs to be consistent with his arm extension and hand placement in attempts to sustain and finish his blocks...Because of his adequate lateral agility, he has problems when defenders cross his face...Though he can make downfield blocks, his lumbering running style makes him best at the point of attack, widening the rush lane rather than on pulls and traps...Loses some steam late in games and will revert to bending at the waist, causing him to narrow his base and struggle to maintain contact with defenders...Needs to improve his angles on the move, as he does not always locate his target when working in space...Slow at times to generate pop coming out of his stance, as he does not always get his weight out in front of him...Susceptible to spin moves and counters when he is slow to set his feet...When he gets too high in his stance, he can be rocked back on his heels when trying to prevent the bull rush, but does regain his anchor...Has had relative success facing smaller defenders, but in his last 23 games, his opponents have had a serious weight disadvantage vs. him (his main blocking assignment averaged less that 258 pounds and he faced only three defensive ends that weighed over 280 during that span)...Had his two worst performances in 2007 after being named an All-American, but he was also battling an ankle injury...Was suspended briefly for disciplinary issues early in the season.

Compares To: JOE STALEY-San Francisco...Collins has good straight-line speed and is an efficient drive blocker, but does need technique work as a pass blocker. He is alert to twists and games and shows good urgency widening the rush lane. His timed speed fails to translate when asked to get into the second level, as his base narrows and he takes poor angles stalking linebackers. Even though he had good success on the left side, he is not ready to be exposed on an island at the next level and will be better on the right side with help from a guard and tight end. While he will be an early pick due to his athletic ability, he is not ready for primetime and would have benefited from another year of college ball, considering he has started just two seasons on the offensive line and has a total of just four seasons of organized football under his belt.

Injury Report 2007: Suffered a right ankle sprain vs. Oklahoma State (11/10), missing the next game vs. Iowa State (11/17)...Returned vs. Missouri (11/24), but re-injured his ankle.

royr17 · 04-27-2008, 06:12 AM

All im saying I believe Anthony Collins will be a pretty good Right Tackle.

CupidStunt · 04-27-2008, 06:16 AM

Pass on all.

Far too much talent in other guys like Justin King, DaJuan Morgan, etc.

With that said, I hope the Chiefs keep drafting hard-working football players, which I think they will. I really want them to go after a pass-rushing demon who works real hard. A motor guy. An Elvis Dumervil-type. Marcus Howard might be a little undersized but he'd be a real nice guy to have off the edge on third down.

oaklandhater · 04-27-2008, 06:33 AM

how do you guys feel about Chris Ellis,

Has a large frame with room to get bigger...Excellent speed with terrific quickness and a burst to close...A good athlete...Very strong...Stout at the point and does a nice job versus the run...Real active and has an outstanding motor...Is technically sound and plays with good leverage...Productive...Had a superb senior campaign.

Weaknesses:
Needs to put on some weight...Repertoire of pass rush moves is limited...Instincts are just average..Will have some trouble shedding blocks...Not real powerful..May not be an every down player...Character is a concern...Durability may be an issue.

Notes:
Has torn the labrum in his right shoulder twice...Suspended in 2006 after he was arrested and charged with resisting arrest and obstructing justice...He isn't flashy but you can't argue with the results..Will be a fine pro as long as he stays healthy and keeps his head on straight..Might be a better prospect than Darryl Tapp was.

04-26-2008, 08:51 PM	Topic Starter
royr17 MVP Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lovin my kids Casino cash: $2078676	How do you guys feel about these guys in the 3rd round ? Tell me how do you guys feel about these 3 guys in the 3rd round. WR Early Doucet OT Anthony Collins DE Brian Johnston Early Doucet could become that # 2 receiver, he's 6 foot 209 lbs, he ran a 4.59 40 time, but speed isnt everything, its about how you play the game. The reason why he wasnt drafted already I feel is because he spent most of his time behind Dwayne Bowe and Craig Davis but finally got a shot last year and did fairly ok and then had a injury. Here are his stats : Year GP Rec Yds YPC TD 2004 12 18 257 14.3 2 2005 12 26 389 15.0 5 2006 13 59 772 13.1 8 2007 10 57 525 9.2 5 Anthony Collins is a good Offensive Tackle prospect to look as a replacement on the right side for when we part ways with Damion McIntosh. Plus he could play Left Tackle if needed too. Brian Johnston, dont know much about this guy, except that he went to college at Gardner-Webb, Im guess thats a division II school. At the NFL Combine he ran a 4.66 40 time and is 6-5 274 lbs, so he is pretty good size boy. Here are his career stats : Year GP TKL TFL SACK 2004 9 58 5.0 2.0 2005 13 59 12.5 5.0 2006 11 77 14.0 8.0 2007 10 67 20.5 6.0 So tell me what you guys think about my 3rd pick selections.
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04-26-2008, 08:57 PM	#2
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04-26-2008, 08:58 PM	#3
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04-26-2008, 09:12 PM	#6
Pitt Gorilla Banned! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: NOT Columbia, MO 65201 Casino cash: $3030194	Stryker Sulak beat Collins like a rented mule. I wonder what NFL ends will do to him? __________________ Your son is a bench warmer because of your weak genetics not because of the coach Norlin Mommsen is disgusting.
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04-27-2008, 06:53 AM	#10
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04-26-2008, 09:23 PM	#12
Chiefmanwillcatch Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: KC Casino cash: $10004900	draftscout articles are confusing. http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/an...ollins?id=1258 Analysis Positives: Has a big frame with the potential to add more bulk with no loss of quickness...Possesses broad shoulders, good arm length and adequate overall strength with above-average initial quickness for his position...Has a wide waist and hips with good lower-body thickness...Shows good balance and arm rise and extension coming out of his stance to quickly hook the defender on drive blocks...Has adequate change-of-direction agility, but does a good job of dropping his weight and keeping his pads low in order to bend at the knees better (this allows him to create, hold lanes and anchor with good consistency)...Good competitor who hustles back to protect the pocket and while he does not put away defenders with tremendous force (gets stalemated when he gets too tall in his stance), he works hard to finish...Has good preparation skills and is a solid worker in the training room...Capable of handling the mental aspect of the game and showed marked improvement the second half of 2007 in attempts to chip to the second level...Has the strength to sit down and anchor...Is not a mauler, but he is effective at creating and holding a wide crease for the ground game...Shows good hand punch on the rise, gaining movement off the line while staying low in his stance...When he maintains his wide-leg base to sustain blocks and keep his feet moving, he can properly wall off and seal when pulling for the ground game...Will generally come off his blocks with good hand placement (does short arm)...When he plays the game flat-footed, he has enough short-area quickness needed to get to the second level...Better blocking in-line than sliding in pass protection (gets a little lead-footed in his retreat), but when he uses proper knee bend in pass protection, he is more effective in attempts to mirror the defender...Has good pop on contact with his hands and can surprise a defender with a heavy punch...Uses his size well to wall off and is showing better confidence in his feet when trying to gain position...When he keeps his feet underneath him, he is effective setting up to protect the edge...Shows good arm extension to make reach blocks, but will sometimes lunge and overextend...More of a position blocker, but can get good movement on drive blocks...Does not have the brute strength to overpower, but plays with good balance and control to cut off and readjust to in-line moves...Flashes better aggression blocking in-line and delivers a hand punch into the defender's chest consistently...Has the big, flexible hands to lock on, steer and control...Keeps a good base and even when he overextends, he can recover...Does a good job of keeping his feet moving after initial contact...Will sometimes drop his hands to reload, but with his long arms, he is quick to recover...Shows better punch than catch in pass protection and while he looks a bit sluggish redirecting, he has good balance and anchor when he keeps his weight forward and plays flat-footed. Negatives: Has good straight-line quickness out of his stance, but needs to refine his footwork, as he is too inconsistent with his kick slide to get back and mirror edge rushers (has a tendency to get up on his toes in pass protection, as the more physical defenders capitalize on this to rock him back on his heels)...Might be a better fit at right tackle or inside at guard, as he lacks the hip snap and lateral movement to get out in front and impact block for perimeter runs...Has a decent hand punch, but will sometimes revert to "short arming" and needs to be consistent with his arm extension and hand placement in attempts to sustain and finish his blocks...Because of his adequate lateral agility, he has problems when defenders cross his face...Though he can make downfield blocks, his lumbering running style makes him best at the point of attack, widening the rush lane rather than on pulls and traps...Loses some steam late in games and will revert to bending at the waist, causing him to narrow his base and struggle to maintain contact with defenders...Needs to improve his angles on the move, as he does not always locate his target when working in space...Slow at times to generate pop coming out of his stance, as he does not always get his weight out in front of him...Susceptible to spin moves and counters when he is slow to set his feet...When he gets too high in his stance, he can be rocked back on his heels when trying to prevent the bull rush, but does regain his anchor...Has had relative success facing smaller defenders, but in his last 23 games, his opponents have had a serious weight disadvantage vs. him (his main blocking assignment averaged less that 258 pounds and he faced only three defensive ends that weighed over 280 during that span)...Had his two worst performances in 2007 after being named an All-American, but he was also battling an ankle injury...Was suspended briefly for disciplinary issues early in the season. Compares To: JOE STALEY-San Francisco...Collins has good straight-line speed and is an efficient drive blocker, but does need technique work as a pass blocker. He is alert to twists and games and shows good urgency widening the rush lane. His timed speed fails to translate when asked to get into the second level, as his base narrows and he takes poor angles stalking linebackers. Even though he had good success on the left side, he is not ready to be exposed on an island at the next level and will be better on the right side with help from a guard and tight end. While he will be an early pick due to his athletic ability, he is not ready for primetime and would have benefited from another year of college ball, considering he has started just two seasons on the offensive line and has a total of just four seasons of organized football under his belt. Injury Report 2007: Suffered a right ankle sprain vs. Oklahoma State (11/10), missing the next game vs. Iowa State (11/17)...Returned vs. Missouri (11/24), but re-injured his ankle.
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04-27-2008, 06:12 AM	#13
royr17 MVP Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lovin my kids Casino cash: $2078676	All im saying I believe Anthony Collins will be a pretty good Right Tackle.
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04-27-2008, 06:16 AM	#14
CupidStunt offense > defense Join Date: Jul 2005 Casino cash: $2613332	Pass on all. Far too much talent in other guys like Justin King, DaJuan Morgan, etc. With that said, I hope the Chiefs keep drafting hard-working football players, which I think they will. I really want them to go after a pass-rushing demon who works real hard. A motor guy. An Elvis Dumervil-type. Marcus Howard might be a little undersized but he'd be a real nice guy to have off the edge on third down.
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04-27-2008, 06:33 AM	#15
oaklandhater future chiefs fans Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: oakland california Casino cash: $7628993	how do you guys feel about Chris Ellis, Has a large frame with room to get bigger...Excellent speed with terrific quickness and a burst to close...A good athlete...Very strong...Stout at the point and does a nice job versus the run...Real active and has an outstanding motor...Is technically sound and plays with good leverage...Productive...Had a superb senior campaign. Weaknesses: Needs to put on some weight...Repertoire of pass rush moves is limited...Instincts are just average..Will have some trouble shedding blocks...Not real powerful..May not be an every down player...Character is a concern...Durability may be an issue. Notes: Has torn the labrum in his right shoulder twice...Suspended in 2006 after he was arrested and charged with resisting arrest and obstructing justice...He isn't flashy but you can't argue with the results..Will be a fine pro as long as he stays healthy and keeps his head on straight..Might be a better prospect than Darryl Tapp was.
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