General Politics The GOP is too extreme. - Page 5

Direckshun · 12-20-2012, 10:16 AM

So sayeth the American people.

Just about every point of data, with one exception, is unfavorable for the GOP. The whole poll is worth observing.

Obama: 52% approval.
"Do you have more confidence in President Obama or in the Republicans in Congress to deal with the major issues facing the country today?" Obama 49%, GOP 31%.
Boehner: 34-52 approve/disapprove.
The GOP should compromise more than the DNP on their positions, 53 to 41.
"Overall, would you describe the views and policies of each of the following as too extreme, or as generally mainstream?" The GOP weighs in at 53 extreme, 43 mainstream. The DNP weighs in at 37-57.
70% believe the fiscal cliff will create either "major problems" or a "crisis," and if we go off it, the GOP will shoulder the blame over the President, 48 to 37.

The only real piece of good news for the GOP: Americans think it's good they've retained the House, 51 to 43.

So that's what the extremism of the GOP has reduced themselves to: a partisan doorstop.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...cid=sf_twitter

CNN Poll: Are GOP policies too extreme?
Posted by CNN Political Unit
December 20th, 2012, 05:00 AM ET

Washington (CNN) - Just over half the public says that the GOP should give up more than the Democrats in any bipartisan solution to the country's problems, according to a new national survey.

And a CNN/ORC International poll also indicates that a slight majority of Americans sees the Republican party's policies and views as too extreme, a first for the GOP, and fewer than a third say they trust congressional Republicans more than President Barack Obama to deal with the major issues facing the nation.

The poll's Thursday release comes less than two weeks before the country faces automatic tax increases on nearly all Americans, as well as deep federal spending cuts, if no deal is struck to avert the country from falling off the fiscal cliff at the end of the year.

According to the survey, 53% say the GOP should compromise more, with 41% saying the Democratic Party should give up more of the proposals it supports to develop bipartisan solutions.

"That's due in part to the fact that the Republican brand is not doing all that well," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

Fifty-three percent of those surveyed say they view the policies of the GOP as too extreme, up 17 points from two years ago. Only 37% say they view the polices of the Democratic Party as too extreme.

It probably doesn't help that House Speaker John Boehner, who's leading GOP fiscal cliff negotiations with the president, is held in fairly low regard, particularly in comparison to Obama. According to the poll, 34% of the public approves of how the top Republican in the House handling his job. By contrast, the president's approval rating stands at 52%.

"Small wonder that nearly half say they have more confidence in President Obama than in the congressional Republicans and that nearly half (48%) would blame the GOP if the fiscal cliff occurs," adds Holland.

Thirty-seven percent said they would blame the president more, with 11% saying they would point fingers at both sides equally if no agreement is struck to avert falling off the fiscal cliff.

The survey also indicates that seven in ten Americans continue to think that the fiscal cliff will cause a crisis or major problems for the country if a deal is not reached.

The poll's release comes one day after Obama and Boehner publicly butted heads, with the president saying Republicans were focused too much on besting him personally instead of thinking about what's best for the country. And Boehner said Obama had yet to make a proposal offering his promised approach of balance between increased revenue and spending cuts.

The survey's release also comes hours before the Republican led House is expected to vote on Boehner's backup tax plan that limits tax hikes to income above $1 million. While a concession from his original opposition to any kind of increase in tax rates, the Boehner plan sets a significantly higher threshold for a rate hike than the $400,000 level sought by Obama.

One piece of good news for the Republicans in the survey: Most Americans say that it's good for the country that the GOP controls the House, an indication that the public would not like to see the Democrats with unchecked power in Washington.

The CNN poll was conducted by ORC International December 17-18, with 620 adults nationwide questioned by telephone. The survey's overall sampling error is plus or minus four percentage points.

A Salt Weapon · 12-22-2012, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson

Unemployment is too high but I see that as more of a problem that too many people are simply unemployable.

Careful, that's your democratic base you're talking about.
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BucEyedPea · 12-22-2012, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

That was suppose to happen this year.

Compromise is not a dirty word. It's how we move forward as a nation.

Compromise is a generality. Not all compromise is good. This is how we've lost our Constitution already.

BucEyedPea · 12-22-2012, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson

House Republicans redistricted to hold so many of their seats.

Which is the result of winning elections. Something your side would do if it could. Incumbents have advantages. Your man gave jobs to undocumented workers.

Quote:

First things first. Destroy the presidential competition and move on the the Congress next. I don't think anyone is too concerned. Your party didn't exactly have a strong "showing of support" last week.

Things don't remain the same. Besides, it's people like you that need to move beyond the D-R paradigm. It's broke.

BucEyedPea · 12-22-2012, 09:33 PM

Congress Is Quietly Abandoning the 5th Amendment

Both Ds and Rs too. That's compromise for ya'! And this isn't even a scandal on any network either.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...ndment/266498/

Bambi · 12-22-2012, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by A Salt Weapon

Careful, that's your democratic base you're talking about.
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Democratic voters are better educated and earn more money on average.

Do some research man.

Prison Bitch · 12-22-2012, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson

Democratic voters are better educated and earn more money on average.

Do some research man.

Dear dumb-ass: Romney won voters making over $100k 54-44. He also won $50-99k 52-46. Obama on the other hand dominated the sub 50k voters 60-38.

This is straight off the CNN election night exit polls. Quit being an uneducated idiot. The country has enough of them already.

Frazod · 12-22-2012, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson

Democratic voters are better educated and earn more money on average.

Do some research man.

Yeah, welfare scum and the spawn of first-gen illegals are typically rolling in cash.

crossbow · 12-24-2012, 08:51 AM

Anyone that has a conservative view is obviously an extremist. Their reputaton must be attacked with lies until they have no credibility and their careers are ruined. Its how liberals believe democracy works.

A Salt Weapon · 12-24-2012, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Yeah, welfare scum and the spawn of first-gen illegals are typically rolling in cash.

Don't forget the illegals themselves now that they are allowed to vote as well.
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BucEyedPea · 12-24-2012, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by crossbow

Anyone that has a conservative view is obviously an extremist. Their reputaton must be attacked with lies until they have no credibility and their careers are ruined. Its how liberals believe democracy works.

It's from Alinsky.

suzzer99 · 12-24-2012, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by crossbow

Anyone that has a conservative view is obviously an extremist. Their reputaton must be attacked with lies until they have no credibility and their careers are ruined. Its how liberals believe democracy works.

My cousin is a fiscal and social conservative who is well-versed on the political landscape and gets his ideas from stuff like The Economist vs. the right-wing media bubble. He said he's probably closer to me as a left-leaning centrist than he is to most of the republican party right now. Being conservative doesn't have to mean toe-ing the party line. Especially not when the party is batshit insane.

Right now because of redistricting house Republicans are more worried about losing their own primaries to a more conservative challenger that they are losing in the general election. They also know that a huge chunk of their base gets their information from propaganda outlets disguised as news--which means they can get away with anything they want and have their "in-house" (as Fox promised to be for Patreus if he ran for president) run cover for them. There's no other way republicans could get away with stuff like instantly turning on their own health insurance plan. It's the Big Lie in full effect. Redistricting and right-wing media are a deadly combination.

I get more conservative the older I get. But I can still recognize extreme bullshit when I see it. And no the democrats are not "just as bad" right now. There is no law of nature that says both sides must always be equally culpable. That's just something a lot of you tell yourself so you can sleep at night. It's also another excellent way the Republicans can pull anything they want. They just point across the aisle and stammer some lame false equivalence, or dredge up a Bill Maher quote, and their media bubble backs them up on it.

Just like they tried to create their own reality with the whole "unskewed polls" thing. I'm having Christmas with my family. They all live in Kansas City and are over 60 - so of course they're almost all frothy conservatives now - even though most of them were liberal when they were younger. Every single one of them was completely surprised that Obama won, even the lone liberal. Such is the power of living in Johnson County and being surrounded by conservatives. But fortunately for the world math and science still hold out over attempts to create your own reality. Well, unfortunately in the case of global warming I guess.

If republicans ever come back from around the bend I may be ready to meet them. But voting republican now - at anything higher than the governor/state legislature level - is just enabling bad behavior imo.

cosmo20002 · 12-24-2012, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crossbow

Anyone that has a conservative view is obviously an extremist. Their reputaton must be attacked with lies until they have no credibility and their careers are ruined. Its how liberals believe democracy works.

Well, judging by the rest of your post, yeah.

patteeu · 12-26-2012, 07:12 AM

I've been saying it for years so this is really no surprise. Fiscal responsibility is too extreme for the American people. With the success of the tea party movement and the unprecedented failure of the first Obama term, I had some hope that there was an awakening afoot, but it looks like it will take even more punishment from democrats to get people to, in the words of Samuel Jackson, wake the **** up.

patteeu · 12-26-2012, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

My cousin is a fiscal and social conservative who is well-versed on the political landscape and gets his ideas from stuff like The Economist vs. the right-wing media bubble. He said he's probably closer to me as a left-leaning centrist than he is to most of the republican party right now. Being conservative doesn't have to mean toe-ing the party line. Especially not when the party is batshit insane.

Right now because of redistricting house Republicans are more worried about losing their own primaries to a more conservative challenger that they are losing in the general election. They also know that a huge chunk of their base gets their information from propaganda outlets disguised as news--which means they can get away with anything they want and have their "in-house" (as Fox promised to be for Patreus if he ran for president) run cover for them. There's no other way republicans could get away with stuff like instantly turning on their own health insurance plan. It's the Big Lie in full effect. Redistricting and right-wing media are a deadly combination.

I get more conservative the older I get. But I can still recognize extreme bullshit when I see it. And no the democrats are not "just as bad" right now. There is no law of nature that says both sides must always be equally culpable. That's just something a lot of you tell yourself so you can sleep at night. It's also another excellent way the Republicans can pull anything they want. They just point across the aisle and stammer some lame false equivalence, or dredge up a Bill Maher quote, and their media bubble backs them up on it.

Just like they tried to create their own reality with the whole "unskewed polls" thing. I'm having Christmas with my family. They all live in Kansas City and are over 60 - so of course they're almost all frothy conservatives now - even though most of them were liberal when they were younger. Every single one of them was completely surprised that Obama won, even the lone liberal. Such is the power of living in Johnson County and being surrounded by conservatives. But fortunately for the world math and science still hold out over attempts to create your own reality. Well, unfortunately in the case of global warming I guess.

If republicans ever come back from around the bend I may be ready to meet them. But voting republican now - at anything higher than the governor/state legislature level - is just enabling bad behavior imo.

Left-leaning centrist? I'm shattered. I was under the impression that you were smack dab center of the road.

BucEyedPea · 12-26-2012, 10:51 AM

The Economist is Keynesian with mercantilist undertones. Any Republican, and there are many, who get their ideas from this literature is no true free-market, fiscal conservative let alone a Constitutionalist. Yeah, it can have some good reads but it's Establishment aka about state power—and that is not really conservative. Your cousin just sounds ignorant and misinformed.
He sounds like he may be a NeoCon. Just have to know more about his FP. Suzzer, I don't think you really know what a conservative is...thanks to modern media.

Serious, if republicans ever come back from around the bend? You mean their shift to the left the past ten years or so?

12-20-2012, 10:16 AM
Direckshun Make America Great Again Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $33532	The GOP is too extreme. So sayeth the American people. Just about every point of data, with one exception, is unfavorable for the GOP. The whole poll is worth observing. Obama: 52% approval. "Do you have more confidence in President Obama or in the Republicans in Congress to deal with the major issues facing the country today?" Obama 49%, GOP 31%. Boehner: 34-52 approve/disapprove. The GOP should compromise more than the DNP on their positions, 53 to 41. "Overall, would you describe the views and policies of each of the following as too extreme, or as generally mainstream?" The GOP weighs in at 53 extreme, 43 mainstream. The DNP weighs in at 37-57. 70% believe the fiscal cliff will create either "major problems" or a "crisis," and if we go off it, the GOP will shoulder the blame over the President, 48 to 37. The only real piece of good news for the GOP: Americans think it's good they've retained the House, 51 to 43. So that's what the extremism of the GOP has reduced themselves to: a partisan doorstop. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...cid=sf_twitter CNN Poll: Are GOP policies too extreme? Posted by CNN Political Unit December 20th, 2012, 05:00 AM ET Washington (CNN) - Just over half the public says that the GOP should give up more than the Democrats in any bipartisan solution to the country's problems, according to a new national survey. And a CNN/ORC International poll also indicates that a slight majority of Americans sees the Republican party's policies and views as too extreme, a first for the GOP, and fewer than a third say they trust congressional Republicans more than President Barack Obama to deal with the major issues facing the nation. The poll's Thursday release comes less than two weeks before the country faces automatic tax increases on nearly all Americans, as well as deep federal spending cuts, if no deal is struck to avert the country from falling off the fiscal cliff at the end of the year. According to the survey, 53% say the GOP should compromise more, with 41% saying the Democratic Party should give up more of the proposals it supports to develop bipartisan solutions. "That's due in part to the fact that the Republican brand is not doing all that well," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. Fifty-three percent of those surveyed say they view the policies of the GOP as too extreme, up 17 points from two years ago. Only 37% say they view the polices of the Democratic Party as too extreme. It probably doesn't help that House Speaker John Boehner, who's leading GOP fiscal cliff negotiations with the president, is held in fairly low regard, particularly in comparison to Obama. According to the poll, 34% of the public approves of how the top Republican in the House handling his job. By contrast, the president's approval rating stands at 52%. "Small wonder that nearly half say they have more confidence in President Obama than in the congressional Republicans and that nearly half (48%) would blame the GOP if the fiscal cliff occurs," adds Holland. Thirty-seven percent said they would blame the president more, with 11% saying they would point fingers at both sides equally if no agreement is struck to avert falling off the fiscal cliff. The survey also indicates that seven in ten Americans continue to think that the fiscal cliff will cause a crisis or major problems for the country if a deal is not reached. The poll's release comes one day after Obama and Boehner publicly butted heads, with the president saying Republicans were focused too much on besting him personally instead of thinking about what's best for the country. And Boehner said Obama had yet to make a proposal offering his promised approach of balance between increased revenue and spending cuts. The survey's release also comes hours before the Republican led House is expected to vote on Boehner's backup tax plan that limits tax hikes to income above $1 million. While a concession from his original opposition to any kind of increase in tax rates, the Boehner plan sets a significantly higher threshold for a rate hike than the $400,000 level sought by Obama. One piece of good news for the Republicans in the survey: Most Americans say that it's good for the country that the GOP controls the House, an indication that the public would not like to see the Democrats with unchecked power in Washington. The CNN poll was conducted by ORC International December 17-18, with 620 adults nationwide questioned by telephone. The survey's overall sampling error is plus or minus four percentage points.
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12-22-2012, 09:33 PM	#64
BucEyedPea BucsPatsNoles Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: None of your business Casino cash: $70063	How's this for compromise BRC? Congress Is Quietly Abandoning the 5th Amendment Both Ds and Rs too. That's compromise for ya'! And this isn't even a scandal on any network either. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...ndment/266498/
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12-24-2012, 08:51 AM	#68
crossbow King of Sarcasm Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: at home Casino cash: $5000	Anyone that has a conservative view is obviously an extremist. Their reputaton must be attacked with lies until they have no credibility and their careers are ruined. Its how liberals believe democracy works.
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12-26-2012, 07:12 AM	#73
patteeu The 23rd Pillar Join Date: Sep 2002 Casino cash: $19337	I've been saying it for years so this is really no surprise. Fiscal responsibility is too extreme for the American people. With the success of the tea party movement and the unprecedented failure of the first Obama term, I had some hope that there was an awakening afoot, but it looks like it will take even more punishment from democrats to get people to, in the words of Samuel Jackson, wake the **** up. __________________ “Boy, you all want power. God, I hope you never get it.” - Lindsay Graham
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12-26-2012, 10:51 AM	#75
BucEyedPea BucsPatsNoles Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: None of your business Casino cash: $70063	The Economist is Keynesian with mercantilist undertones. Any Republican, and there are many, who get their ideas from this literature is no true free-market, fiscal conservative let alone a Constitutionalist. Yeah, it can have some good reads but it's Establishment aka about state power—and that is not really conservative. Your cousin just sounds ignorant and misinformed. He sounds like he may be a NeoCon. Just have to know more about his FP. Suzzer, I don't think you really know what a conservative is...thanks to modern media. Serious, if republicans ever come back from around the bend? You mean their shift to the left the past ten years or so?
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