Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 31

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

BigCatDaddy · 12-15-2012, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

He will...for about six weeks. He'll get a three year extension before reverting back to his old smiling, sack-tapping, free swinging self.

I still think Frenchy and Melky were both using PED's in 11. One got paid and stopped they other was trying for a mega contract and pushed his luck.

Nightfyre · 12-15-2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I'd take a chance I'm getting the 4.8 WAR player from 2011.

So you guys are all willing to give Bourjos the benefit of the doubt but Hosmer is a failed prospect? Just pointing out a little hypocrisy.... (specifically from Deez)

**SAUTO** · 12-15-2012, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

So you guys are all willing to give Bourjos the benefit of the doubt but Hosmer is a failed prospect? Just pointing out a little hypocrisy.... (specifically from Deez)

I don't think deez has ever called hosmer a failed prospect.

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**DeezNutz** · 12-15-2012, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

So you guys are all willing to give Bourjos the benefit of the doubt but Hosmer is a failed prospect? Just pointing out a little hypocrisy.... (specifically from Deez)

I'm pointing out complete bullshit right here.

I've said I would have traded Hosmer before Myers, and I stand by that statement. The former's defense is vastly overrated, and there are some legit concerns about his approach.

That said, he has tremendous natural ability and could rebound nicely in '13. Not necessarily banking on it, but definitely not ruling it out.

And the Bourjos comparison is horse ****ing shit, since '11 is his only full season of play, and it was really, really good.

**DeezNutz** · 12-15-2012, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

I don't think deez has ever called hosmer a failed prospect.

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http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=108

Nightfyre · 12-15-2012, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I'm pointing out complete bullshit right here.

I've said I would have traded Hosmer before Myers, and I stand by that statement. The former's defense is vastly overrated, and there are some legit concerns about his approach.

That said, he has tremendous natural ability and could rebound nicely in '13. Not necessarily banking on it, but definitely not ruling it out.

And the Bourjos comparison is horse ****ing shit, since '11 is his only full season of play, and it was really, really good.

Fair enough. Maybe I've misunderstood some epic rants in the 2010 thread.

**DeezNutz** · 12-15-2012, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Fair enough. Maybe I've misunderstood some epic rants in the 2010 thread.

I have no doubt that I've mother****ed him and his long, loopy, overswinging, Frenchy-imitating swing several times in individual game threads.

siberian khatru · 12-15-2012, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

So you guys are all willing to give Bourjos the benefit of the doubt but Hosmer is a failed prospect? Just pointing out a little hypocrisy.... (specifically from Deez)

I'm on record on this site as saying I'm confident Hos will bounce back, and I was opposed to trading him.

SPATCH · 12-15-2012, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I'm on record on this site as saying I'm confident Hos will bounce back, and I was opposed to trading him.

I'll go ahead and go on record for that, as well.

Nightfyre · 12-15-2012, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I have no doubt that I've mother****ed him and his long, loopy, overswinging, Frenchy-imitating swing several times in individual game threads.

They just have to get that loop out and he will be a Barry Bonds who can play first base.

**lewdog** · 12-15-2012, 06:26 PM

Personally, I don't think there is one player on this roster who isn't trade-able to the right offer besides Escobar and Perez.

Mama Hip Rockets · 12-15-2012, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lewdog

Personally, I don't think there is one player on this roster who isn't trade-able to the right offer besides Escobar and Perez.

Why don't you just say there are two players who aren't tradable then?

dmahurin · 12-15-2012, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by lewdog

Personally, I don't think there is one player on this roster who isn't trade-able to the right offer besides Escobar and Perez.

I put up the money for a moose jersey last year so for that reason alone i would like to add him to the list.

**alnorth** · 12-15-2012, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dmahurin

I put up the money for a moose jersey last year so for that reason alone i would like to add him to the list.

sucker, shoulda bought an Escobar jersey. *smug*

Nightfyre · 12-15-2012, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

sucker, shoulda bought an Escobar jersey. *smug*

**** y'all. Shoulda got a Perez jersey.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1840308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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