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You'd probably have to go back to 1997 to find a draft like this one. That's the year Peyton Manning eschewed the prospect of going to the Jets first overall to play for Bill Parcells and returned for his senior year at Tennessee. One quarterback (shaky Jim Druckenmiller, 26th) picked in round one. Two backs (Warrick Dunn 12th and Antowain Smith 23rd) in round one, and four receivers in the first: Ike Hilliard seventh, Yatil Green 15th, Reidel Anthony 16th and Rae Carruth 27th. Yikes! What a horrible draft for point-producers. One star, Dunn, out of seven first-rounders.

That could repeat this year. It's likely Alabama's Eddie Lacy will be the only running back taken in round one. Tennessee's Cordarrelle Patterson leads the muddled pack at wide receiver, but how sure can you really be of junior-college transfers who play one year of major-college football, which is Patterson's profile?

The quarterbacks are a total mish-mosh at this point. One GM interested in acquiring a quarterback this offseason told me over the weekend, "I expect more attention on the quarterbacks throwing this year than on any other single thing at the Combine.'' Some think Geno Smith of West Virginia will go first overall to quarterback-needy Kansas City; one personnel man who studied all the top quarterbacks for a team in need of one last fall told me, "There's not one quarterback, including Smith, I would take in the first round."

Two points about that. If you need a quarterback, you can talk brave in February, but when reality sets in around draft day, and you haven't picked up a quarterback in free agency, all of a sudden the zits on Smith, Matt Barkley and other others don't seem as bad. And we're nine and a half weeks from round one. There's no way that Andy Reid and John Dorsey, the coach and GM for Kansas City, know what they're doing now. They need time to investigate and to watch tape on the eight or 10 quarterbacks.


But in some ways, 2013 should be a catchup year for the other positions. Opening day 2013 could feature 12 starting quarterbacks drafted in 2011 and '12; that's far, far above the norm in a game that values veteran arms at the position.

Now for a couple of notes about players at the Combine.

Alec Ogletree. The underclass inside linebacker from Georgia would be a clear top-10 pick with a clean resume. But he was suspended the first four games of last season for failing an offseason drug test, and then came the news Saturday night, via ProFootballTalk.com, that Ogletree recently was pinched for driving while intoxicated.

Ogletree and agent Pat Dye were smart to come out and beat the police blotter to the punch. As for the damage done by the arrest, Ogletree, who is a speed demon for an inside player, the kind of player who, if right, would be a perfect fit as a rare three-down inside linebacker for any team, has to convince teams they shouldn't be worried about a player who has tested positive, been suspended, and gotten a DWI in the span of about nine months.

Some GM is going to stake his reputation on Ogletree in the first round, most likely. Which GM? It would have to be a secure one. Green Bay's Ted Thompson or de facto GM Bill Belichick of the Patriots or Baltimore's Ozzie Newsome, all down near the bottom of the round.

Manti Te'o. The Notre Dame linebacker has spent a lot of time practicing football and practicing what he's going to say to teams. His last game, against Alabama, was a nightmare (he was awful, and overpowered), and then the whole fake girlfriend story came up, making him a national story and, in some quarters, a national joke. It won't matter much how he works out in Indianapolis. What will matter are the 15-minute interviews he'll have in formal evening sessions with teams, and in less formal settings, seeing coaches and personnel people at the stadium and around his hotel.

No men have more on the line, off the field, at the Scouting Combine than Ogletree and Te'o.

Finally, three players I'll be watching at the Combine, three with question marks and debatable upsides:

1. Quarterback Sean Renfree, Duke. No one's talking about him, but he completed 70 percent of his throws in six of 12 games for David Cutcliffe last fall, was a comeback specialist, and has the pedigree in a good pro-style offense to play early. Could he be more than a late-round flyer, this year's Ryan Lindley? We'll see.

2. Cornerback Xavier Rhodes, Florida State. A 6-2 cornerback in a league demanding cover guys who can play on islands more and more? Scouts want to see if Rhodes, who is a heady player with good bump skills at the line of scrimmage, has the speed to stay with fast wideouts. If so, he'll be a top-half-of-the-first-round player.

3. Running back Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina. After his devastating dislocated knee and torn knee ligaments in October, Lattimore, considered a certain first-rounder before the injury, is still in recovery mode. His surgeon, James Andrews, told Lattimore recently that he's going to shock the world. "I hear he's working out great,'' said Mayock. Lattimore believes he'll be healthy enough to start the 2013 NFL season. Is he's a fourth-round minefield pick? Or might some team desperate for a back go for him a round earlier -- or even late in the second round?



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Old 02-20-2013, 07:01 PM   #436
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The Geno mafia has sure turned the Lounge into a cesspool. I'm going back to DC for a few hours to get a breath of fresh air. But don't worry, I'll be back for another installment of delusional expertise and fake claims of watching extensive film

P.S. Kudos to Dane for being a voice of reason.
Bullshit. Dane's on a crazy ****ing witch hunt to find the Geno fan who kicked his dog and pooped in his mailbox. Nothing he has said about Geno Smith's supporters or energy the past few weeks has been remotely accurate.

Again, if you wanted to see some REAL bloodbath QB mafia-type shit, go back to the Sanchez debates of 2009. This entire offseason is a ****ing tea party compared to what it was back then. Smith, Barkley, and Wilson supporters are gathering together and singing kumbay****ingya, all united under one goal.

After BlackBob got raped, this board became downright pleasant again, even with Jags troll and that Carl Peterson shitass leaving garbage everywhere.

Then all of a sudden Dane and a few others came out of nowhere and spouted off a bunch of bullshit about how the Geno Smith and his fans were taking over the BB and suppressing the freedoms of everybody who dared turn against them.

It's rubbish. Pure ****ing rubbish.
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Old 02-20-2013, 07:08 PM   #437
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Bullshit. Dane's on a crazy ****ing witch hunt to find the Geno fan who kicked his dog and pooped in his mailbox. Nothing he has said about Geno Smith's supporters or energy the past few weeks has been remotely accurate.

Again, if you wanted to see some REAL bloodbath QB mafia-type shit, go back to the Sanchez debates of 2009. This entire offseason is a ****ing tea party compared to what it was back then. Smith, Barkley, and Wilson supporters are gathering together and singing kumbay****ingya, all united under one goal.

After BlackBob got raped, this board became downright pleasant again, even with Jags troll and that Carl Peterson shitass leaving garbage everywhere.

Then all of a sudden Dane and a few others came out of nowhere and spouted off a bunch of bullshit about how the Geno Smith and his fans were taking over the BB and suppressing the freedoms of everybody who dared turn against them.

It's rubbish. Pure ****ing rubbish.


If the Chiefs pass on Smith, this forum will likely implode. We'll all be furiously logging into the Downtime Planet.
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Old 02-20-2013, 07:14 PM   #438
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If the Chiefs pass on Smith, this forum will likely implode. We'll all be furiously logging into the Downtime Planet.
It really depends, dude.

If we pass on Geno Smith for a different QB at #1, the board might implode, but only because people will be so ****ing elated that we at least took a ****ing QB in the first round for the first time in 30 years. You might see some people questioning the pick, but overwhelmingly people will be happy with it. I, for one, will be happy if it's Barkley or Wilson.

If we draft Star, then yes, you are correct. There will be rape.
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Old 02-20-2013, 07:19 PM   #439
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If the Chiefs pass on Smith, this forum will likely implode. We'll all be furiously logging into the Downtime Planet.
Quite possible, but if the Raiders take Geno at 3, we will see a meltdown of proportions undreamt of around these parts.
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Old 02-20-2013, 07:21 PM   #440
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Quite possible, but if the Raiders take Geno at 3, we will see a meltdown of proportions undreamt of around these parts.
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Old 02-20-2013, 07:22 PM   #441
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Bullshit. Dane's on a crazy ****ing witch hunt to find the Geno fan who kicked his dog and pooped in his mailbox. Nothing he has said about Geno Smith's supporters or energy the past few weeks has been remotely accurate.

Again, if you wanted to see some REAL bloodbath QB mafia-type shit, go back to the Sanchez debates of 2009. This entire offseason is a ****ing tea party compared to what it was back then. Smith, Barkley, and Wilson supporters are gathering together and singing kumbay****ingya, all united under one goal.

After BlackBob got raped, this board became downright pleasant again, even with Jags troll and that Carl Peterson shitass leaving garbage everywhere.

Then all of a sudden Dane and a few others came out of nowhere and spouted off a bunch of bullshit about how the Geno Smith and his fans were taking over the BB and suppressing the freedoms of everybody who dared turn against them.

It's rubbish. Pure ****ing rubbish.
I pooped on his dog and kicked his mailbox, so it's not me.
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I just want them to identify who they think is the best quarterback of this class is and draft him with our first draft choice.

To be honest, I wouldn't even care who that is.

If they take Landry Jones with the top pick, I'd accept that a lot faster than I can stomach another linemen.
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Old 02-20-2013, 07:23 PM   #443
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Quite possible, but if the Raiders take Geno at 3, we will see a meltdown of proportions undreamt of around these parts.
Well, my opinion at this point in time is that if the Raiders want him at the #3 spot, the Chiefs will want him at #1 overall.

I have a hard time believing that if Smith separates himself that much in the next 10 weeks, that the Chiefs pass on him.

But, who knows?
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:01 PM   #444
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Well, my opinion at this point in time is that if the Raiders want him at the #3 spot, the Chiefs will want him at #1 overall.

I have a hard time believing that if Smith separates himself that much in the next 10 weeks, that the Chiefs pass on him.

But, who knows?
It all hinges on the combine, especially since he's agreed to throw.
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:54 PM   #445
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Yeah, because suddenly, I'm stupid.

But let me say this: The other 11,500 members of Chiefsplanet should be eternally grateful that you and a handful of others identified the Chiefs #1 overall draft picks MONTHS before the Chiefs. Hell, you guys have identified the best QB LONG before any one else had identified him.

You deserve a medal for your bravery.
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Dane.

You have said yourself you have only seen the WORST two games Geno played this year. Right?
then you say you have nothing against drafting him at one if they deem him deserving.


But it is seeming like you are bashing the guy and his supporters at every ****ing turn.

What is the truth? Real talk.

I like you, you know that, I'm not one of the Dane haters around here.


But goddamn man it seems like you are saying one thing and then saying something else with every post.


What do you have against Geno and his supporters? Especially when you admittedly have only watched TWO games. I have linked you to the video of him doing everything you supposedly want in our franchise qb. Either you aren't watching or you are somewhat trolling.

Which is it?

Watch the guy play. It's obvious.


It is ****ing obvious what this guy can do.

You are better than this
You are better than listening to what the taking heads say.


watch the videos. Please. Watch them.


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Dane.

You have said yourself you have only seen the WORST two games Geno played this year. Right?
then you say you have nothing against drafting him at one if they deem him deserving.


But it is seeming like you are bashing the guy and his supporters at every ****ing turn.

What is the truth? Real talk.

I like you, you know that, I'm not one of the Dane haters around here.


But goddamn man it seems like you are saying one thing and then saying something else with every post.


What do you have against Geno and his supporters? Especially when you admittedly have only watched TWO games. I have linked you to the video of him doing everything you supposedly want in our franchise qb. Either you aren't watching or you are somewhat trolling.

Which is it?

Watch the guy play. It's obvious.


It is ****ing obvious what this guy can do.

You are better than this
You are better than listening to what the taking heads say.


watch the videos. Please. Watch them.


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I like Dane, too. I look forward to chumming around with him when the draft is over and the Chiefs have Geno
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Well lets see... Thig Lyfe has gone full Attica, Dane has gone...well...something, Zach is a useless goddamned soccer pimp, Hamas has become practically a lurker, Mecca has disappeared during his favorite time of the off season, and we're being trolled by fans from the most forgettable franchise in NFL history. Burst........lost.
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Well lets see... Thig Lyfe has gone full Attica, Dane has gone...well...something, Zach is a useless goddamned soccer pimp, Hamas has become practically a lurker, Mecca has disappeared during his favorite time of the off season, and we're being trolled by fans from the most forgettable franchise in NFL history. Burst........lost.
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