The Official "Lost" the series discussion

[Deberg_1990]

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

[Mr. Plow]

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

After all these years how is it that Aaron wasn't important?

I still don't fully understand why people thought Aaron was so important to begin with.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Why was the island at the bottom of the ocean to start this past season?

Because the "alternate" timeline the Lostaways subconsciously created took place in a world without the island. It was a skewed and slightly more "idealized" version of what they had lived through.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

What about 3 years of not being able to have a baby on the island and the "others" being interested in the baby and Walt and his special powers?

What about it? Seems to me the incident from the end of Season 5 is directly responsible for the fertility issues. No mystery there. Richard even dismissed The Others' focus on this non-issue. The Other also let Walt go. He was special. He had powers. And they didn't want him on that island anymore. Though we don't have anything concrete, there's a lot in what we have to speculate about. Especially since many of Walt's "powers" were the same as Smokey's powers. I think they feared what Walt would do should his scale tip toward the darkness.

They were interested in Aaron because he was born on the island, and Claire didn't die in childbirth.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

And the numbers?

And whats the point of the light? Is there some other point than to power the island in some way?

What about smokey getting off the island? How would that have killed all the losties?

The numbers were answered. Jacob kept things in order by assigning numbers to candidates.

The only way Smokey can leave the island is by putting out the light. If the light goes out, the world ends.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

When did the lostees decide on creating the alt-timeline to meet each other and go into the afterlife together?

It wasn't this grand conscious decision. It was a spiritual or subconscious decision.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No, I'm not.

And the person that said I was wrong because he was wearing different clothes, I'll ask you this:

When you dream at night, do you always wear the same clothes as you wore that day?

He imagined it all.

You can chose to believe whatever you chose about the ending, which is why the producers left it ambiguous.

Considering the entire philosophical journey that we were taken on for 6 years, I hardly think the ending was meant to be literal.

But believe whatever you must.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinon. But I disagree with your interpretation completely. To each their own.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

If it wasn't a "dream" then why did Jack have to die in the exact same spot as the beginning of the story?

Symbolism. Again, it's a motif. It's a visual bookend to the show. He didn't have to die there. The artists involved wanted him to die there because it was poetic.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I still fail to see what the big deal was about the light going out on the island. It was all pointless. When Desmond pulled the "cork" Smokey became mortal again and didn't pose a threat.

The light has a "scientific" explanation or purpose and a "spritual" explanation or purpose. As a spiritual entity it is representative of the life force within us all. It is a light, but it signifies balance. After all this light also produced the ultimate darkness (Smokey). If the light goes out on the island, balance no longer exsists and the light goes out everywhere. Without balance the world can not sustain itself.

On the "scientific" side of things, the light is this massive pocket of EM engery. If the energy is released the affect of the planet is catestrophic. Essentially the world ends, islands sink, the earth shakes, things crumble. The world can't handle that much EM energy being released. That's basically it. I'm not a scientist. I can't explain if this is based in actual scientific theory or just something we have to accept as fact in the world of LOST. I don't know how it's possible, but it is. I can't help you with "why." I can only talk about "what."

So, it's bad spiritually and practically if the light goes out. We die.

Now Smokey is born of the light, of the exposure to the EM energy. He is immortal because of it, but he is NOT the light. The light goes out and he becomes mortal again. He can now leave the island. The light no longer binds him to this place. He is no longer of the light in that sense, he is free again to leave.

His departure doesn't equal destruction. In theory he could just go home and leave everyone alone and live a normal life. He's a mortal now. He won't destroy the world. BUT the world is still in danger. Not because Smokey is off the island, but because the light is out.

It's sort of a catch 22. Smokey can't leave if the light is on, but he also can't hurt anyone OFF the island. If the light goes out, Smokey can leave but it doesn't matter because the world ends. Smokey included. Everyone dies. I don't think he understand that part of it. He doesn't get that the light really does need protecting. He thinks it's a lie. He doesn't have any faith. The irony is, if he really had succeeded he would have died anyway because the world and everything on it would have been destroyed.

That's how I understand the light and it's consequences. Now, like Dane, I have to admit this is my interpretation. I'm not saying it's a "fact." But it all adds up. There's evidence to support this idea. I like it, and that's good enough for me.

I hope that helps.

[Moobs]

Originally Posted by aarowheadnation

This is supposedly from someone at Bad Robot (JJ Abrams' Production Company...AKA...LOST production company). It's a long read, but it's also from the camel's mouth (supposedly).

L O S T: An Explanation...
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Do you have a link for this? It's a really good read.

[Red Brooklyn]

I think it's a great read. Not sure how "authentic" it really is... but either way I think the dude nailed it. I really hope the it's real, or true. I love thinking that the ending is the same as the one planned from the beginning. Kinda cool.

[Silock]

Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn

I think it's a great read. Not sure how "authentic" it really is... but either way I think the dude nailed it. I really hope the it's real, or true. I love thinking that the ending is the same as the one planned from the beginning. Kinda cool.

That's very cool. I just wish the stuff in between had been explained in more detail.

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by Silock

That's very cool. I just wish the stuff in between had been explained in more detail.

That's totally valid.

I'm one of those people that really doesn't care about answers or whatever all that much. I like the mysteries, but I feel like any "answer" they give can't be as satisfying as my imagination. I don't know.

But yeah, the show's far from perfect. But it was still probably the greatest thing I've ever seen on network television.

[KingPriest2]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Quite honestly, I don't really care.

I took the show for what it was: About redemption.

The rest (polar bears, dharma, etc.) were just part of a sci-fi construct that some people (well actually, quite a few people) got wrapped up in and lost sight of what the show was truly about (if they even ever realized it).

I'll say it once again, and then I am officially out of this thread:

You can believe that Dharma, polar bears, Jacob, MIB, Egyptians, etc. ALL existed and the island was "real", or you can believe that the entire show happened in "the blink of an eye" as a way for Jack to become redeemed.

I'm not telling anyone what to believe but Cinema tells one story and dialogue directly (and the producers, supposedly) tells another.

Which is the final beauty of Lost.

OUT.

oh brother

Dane I asked this to you earlier Why the experts Kristen from E! and Doc Jensen from EW WHO TALK TO DARLTON! esp Jensen who helped at times say everything was real? The producers even said it was real Matt Fox even said it was real Also why would Jac imagine things in his head THAT WERENT REAL OR EVEN HAPPENED EXCEPT IN HIS MIND to redeem him? So what you are saying is something that is imagined will redeem someone? Ok Im going to coomit a serious crime wave. So I get shot and die Well right before I die I have a flash that was a nanosecond with people I have NEVER MET BEFORE and have experiences that redeems me? That doesnt make any sense For a person to be redeemed something REAL has to happen not a flash,dream or whatever you want to call it.

The last 10 minutes of the show puts everything in perspective Hurley and bn talking, Locke and Ben talking asking for forgivemess and getting it, Jack and his Dada talking. His Dad telling him everything was Real it happened.

So based om ALL THIS please explain to me how you think the plane crashed and they all died?


I know you will be back on here again

[Red Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by KingPriest2

For a person to be redeemed something REAL has to happen not a flash,dream or whatever you want to call it.

Exactly.

[KingPriest2]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Then why was it that on Kimmel Sunday night (which we watched last night), the FIRST thing that Matt Fox mentioned was the same thing that I mentioned yesterday: That for a "nanosecond", this whole thing happened to Jack.

Again, the ending is ambiguous enough for people to draw their own conclusions and no one would be wrong.

If you want to take it literally, that they were on an "island" with polar bears and smoke monsters, you can.

If want to believe that for a "nanosecond", all of this occurred so that Jack could find his way to "heaven", you can.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.

I THIS WOULD CLAIRFY I WAS RIGHT

http://scifiwire.com/2010/05/abc-cla...medium=twitter

Related Sections: News TV
ABC clarifies that everyone on LOST was NOT dead the whole show

Remember how confusing it was when Jack (Matthew Fox) closed his eye Sunday night at the end of Lost and the series' logo appeared on our TV screens, only to be followed by crash images of Oceanic 815? What the heck was that about?

Were we being told that no one had survived Oceanic 815's original crash landing—and that we'd invested our hearts in a show in which nothing we'd seen over the last six years had ever really happened?

ABC wants us to know—those final images had nothing at all to do with the Lost storyline, the Los Angeles Times reported. The network ran them only to soften the transition from the ending of the series to the news show that followed, and had never considered that any of us would think it related to the actual ending of the show. (Which some of us around here did!)

An ABC spokesperson wrote in an email Tuesday: "The images shown during the end credits of the Lost finale, which included shots of Oceanic 815 on a deserted beach, were not part of the final story but were a visual aid to allow the viewer to decompress before heading into the news."

Does that change how you felt about Lost's series finale?

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by KingPriest2

I THIS WOULD CLAIRFY I WAS RIGHT

http://scifiwire.com/2010/05/abc-cla...medium=twitter

Related Sections: News TV
ABC clarifies that everyone on LOST was NOT dead the whole show

Remember how confusing it was when Jack (Matthew Fox) closed his eye Sunday night at the end of Lost and the series' logo appeared on our TV screens, only to be followed by crash images of Oceanic 815? What the heck was that about?

Were we being told that no one had survived Oceanic 815's original crash landing—and that we'd invested our hearts in a show in which nothing we'd seen over the last six years had ever really happened?

ABC wants us to know—those final images had nothing at all to do with the Lost storyline, the Los Angeles Times reported. The network ran them only to soften the transition from the ending of the series to the news show that followed, and had never considered that any of us would think it related to the actual ending of the show. (Which some of us around here did!)

An ABC spokesperson wrote in an email Tuesday: "The images shown during the end credits of the Lost finale, which included shots of Oceanic 815 on a deserted beach, were not part of the final story but were a visual aid to allow the viewer to decompress before heading into the news."

Does that change how you felt about Lost's series finale?

The last images that you see of a series are important. Soften a transition? BS. I don't think that the Lost creators would have allowed some pinhead ABC VP to make a decision like that without some prior approval.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

The last images that you see of a series are important. Soften a transition? BS. I don't think that the Lost creators would have allowed some pinhead ABC VP to make a decision like that without some prior approval.

That's like the screen going blank on the Sopranos and then HBO showing Tony and Carmella driving around as the credits roll; to soften the transition.

[Buck]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

The last images that you see of a series are important. Soften a transition? BS. I don't think that the Lost creators would have allowed some pinhead ABC VP to make a decision like that without some prior approval.

Nope, that was ABC decision solely. Nobody from LOST had that set up.

[Mile High Mania]

Enh, that doesn't make sense... 'soften' it from what? It was a very slow, calm and dramatic ending... if they wanted to 'soften' anything, pull a card from the Cannonball Run movies and roll bloopers. That would have been good.

Hey ... there's an idea. They should play an hour long series of the best LOST bloopers.

[Buck]

Originally Posted by aarowheadnation

This is supposedly from someone at Bad Robot (JJ Abrams' Production Company...AKA...LOST production company). It's a long read, but it's also from the camel's mouth (supposedly).

L O S T: An Explanation...
Hundreds of questions go unanswered, but hey…that’s what the extras on the Season 6 DVD are for. So here’s my overview wrap-up of the major themes and characters. See if you agree.

Hey this is real cool. I'm sort of tired of this thread because I just keep arguing, but I can agree with this.

I wonder if there are going to be any Writer/Producer/Actor interpretations on the Complete Series Blu Ray?

[Buck]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Then why was it that on Kimmel Sunday night (which we watched last night), the FIRST thing that Matt Fox mentioned was the same thing that I mentioned yesterday: That for a "nanosecond", this whole thing happened to Jack.

Again, the ending is ambiguous enough for people to draw their own conclusions and no one would be wrong.

If you want to take it literally, that they were on an "island" with polar bears and smoke monsters, you can.

If want to believe that for a "nanosecond", all of this occurred so that Jack could find his way to "heaven", you can.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.

Tell me what you think of this?

Note the differences.

Jimmy Kimmel and Matthew Fox briefly talked about the nanosecond meaning that the two timelines split right at the turbulence (which isn't what you are saying), but I think this video disproves even that theory.



Note the differences even before the turbulence. The longer hair, only one bottle of Vodka, etc.

So if anything, your "nanosecond" happened before the plane scene from LA X.