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Old 10-10-2010, 08:41 PM  
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Bla bla bla, he's a playmaker, he has two touchdowns already, whatever.

He has seven catches for 93 yards. 1/3 of that yardage came on one play. At least two of those are screen passes I believe.

That ****ing sucks.

This guy needs to be a threat as a WIDE RECEIVER. He hasnt made a single play down the field. I'm not even talking 20 yards. How about 10? How about coming off the line, putting your foot in the ground, getting open and giving Cassel a target?

I'm not willing to accept the idea that Cassel is so god awful he makes all our wide receivers look terrible.

McCluster hasn't done shit yet. And he was utter garbage in Indy.

Don't buy any of his ****ing t-shirts.
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Old 10-10-2010, 10:16 PM   #106
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Which brings up the issue. If the Chiefs are 3-1, and the coaches have no confidence in him, then what is the issue of trying the back-up?

Yeah, he probably didn't perform well in practice or whatever the hell it's all about, but practice setting does not = game setting.

Honestly, I'd like to see what Brodie is capable of at of this point.
Exactly.

The staff keeps throwing Cassel out there, even though the team is winning in spite of him.
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Old 10-10-2010, 10:20 PM   #107
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Which brings up the issue. If the Chiefs are 3-1, and the coaches have no confidence in him, then what is the issue of trying the back-up?

Yeah, he probably didn't perform well in practice or whatever the hell it's all about, but practice setting does not = game setting.

Honestly, I'd like to see what Brodie is capable of at of this point.
You could make the case if Cassel was turning the ball over but he isn't. At least not yet anyway.
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Old 10-10-2010, 10:22 PM   #108
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That is part of my theory. Cassel is the transition guy who takes all the beatings while they build up the team then they bring in or draft a new QB.

As far as Clausen goes:
I think they legitimately thought he would be a franchise guy after his success in NE. But it didn't work out, and it's legitimate to say that our WR's and TE's were pretty horrible last year. So they fixed that, and brought in Charlie Weis. So far, it hasn't clicked. But I'm certainly not convinced that anything in the history of our front office/coaches indicates they will sit there through 4-5 more years of this.
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Old 10-10-2010, 10:22 PM   #109
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You could make the case if Cassel was turning the ball over but he isn't. At least not yet anyway.
3 INT's in 4 games.

Not exactly great.

4 TD's in 4 games.

****ing pathetic.

650 yards?

That's a week and a half for Kyle Orton.

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Old 10-10-2010, 10:23 PM   #110
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But Kyle Orton has Jabar Gaffney and Brandon Lloyd.
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I think they legitimately thought he would be a franchise guy after his success in NE. But it didn't work out, and it's legitimate to say that our WR's and TE's were pretty horrible last year. So they fixed that, and brought in Charlie Weis. So far, it hasn't clicked. But I'm certainly not convinced that anything in the history of our front office/coaches indicates they will sit there through 4-5 more years of this.
They left themselves no choice but to sit through it another two years, because they didn't bother to draft any competition when they had the chance.
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Old 10-10-2010, 10:23 PM   #112
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And yes, we do understand that without the people he trusted for his first draft Pioli did a terrible job, shocked I am...
Bullshit. This seriously needs to be stickied.

Pioli tossed out the scouting reports handed in by the Chiefs and exclusively used the reports from his New England guys.

Furthermore, what the **** did Pioli do from May to December 2008? NOT watch a college football game? NOT scout? Gimme a break.

The responsibility for the 2009 NFL draft lies SOLELY with Scott Pioli.

Quit making excuses.
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But Kyle Orton has Jabar Gaffney and Brandon Lloyd.
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Cassel is responsible for McClusters lack of performance


Cassel is not responsible for Bowe's lack of performance


i've read both on this board today


which is it?
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You could make the case if Cassel was turning the ball over but he isn't. At least not yet anyway.
It's not the issue about turnovers or anything. The issue here is that he can't complete a pass of 15+ yards on a consistent basis, and not to mention that his arm strength, well, it's like a rainbow-ish throw that feels like it takes forever for the ****ing ball to get to the receiver.

I wonder if the majority of the playbook is being shelved because the coaching staff is/are aware of the fact that he can't throw more than 10-15 yards with some force on the ball, that they're having to settle for 3-5 yard dumpoffs, slants, ins, curls, etc. with a little occasional deep bomb attempt.
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But Kyle Orton has Jabar Gaffney and Brandon Lloyd.
Funny how in August when I mentioned that the Chiefs with Kyle Orton would be a solid playoff team, people flipped me shit.
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I think they legitimately thought he would be a franchise guy after his success in NE. But it didn't work out, and it's legitimate to say that our WR's and TE's were pretty horrible last year. So they fixed that, and brought in Charlie Weis. So far, it hasn't clicked. But I'm certainly not convinced that anything in the history of our front office/coaches indicates they will sit there through 4-5 more years of this.
If Pioli actually thought that then he ****ed up plain and simple.
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JFC.

Matt Cassel is not Brett Favre.

#1 - he's a rookie in his 4th game playing a brand new position
#2 - his QB isn't hitting open receivers or finding open receivers
#3 - given that his role is supposed to be similar to Welker's, kind of hard to slip underneath coverages when the Safeties know you're not going to throw the ball past 10 yards.

Give him time to learn. And let's see what he does when we have at least average QB play. McCluster's game is completely taken away when the defense has no respect for the deeper pass.
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Don't you know that Matt Cassel had his BEST pro season throwing to Jabar Gaffney?
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If Pioli actually thought that then he ****ed up plain and simple.
Of course he thought that.

He passed on potential franchise QB's in back-to-back drafts that at minimum would have provided insurance in the event Cassel sucked.
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