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Old 08-17-2013, 11:01 AM  
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Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic

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Eight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the U.S., and Scandinavia during the last two decades all arrive at the same conclusion: gays were not born that way.

“At best genetics is a minor factor,” says Dr. Neil Whitehead, PhD. Whitehead worked for the New Zealand government as a scientific researcher for 24 years, then spent four years working for the United Nations and International Atomic Energy Agency. Most recently, he serves as a consultant to Japanese universities about the effects of radiation exposure. His PhD is in biochemistry and statistics.

Identical twins have the same genes or DNA. They are nurtured in equal prenatal conditions. If homosexuality is caused by genetics or prenatal conditions and one twin is gay, the co-twin should also be gay.

“Because they have identical DNA, it ought to be 100%,” Dr. Whitehead notes. But the studies reveal something else. “If an identical twin has same-sex attraction the chances the co-twin has it are only about 11% for men and 14% for women.”

Because identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated.

“No-one is born gay,” he notes. “The predominant things that create homosexuality in one identical twin and not in the other have to be post-birth factors.”

Dr. Whitehead believes same-sex attraction (SSA) is caused by “non-shared factors,” things happening to one twin but not the other, or a personal response to an event by one of the twins and not the other.

For example, one twin might have exposure to pornography or sexual abuse, but not the other. One twin may interpret and respond to their family or classroom environment differently than the other.

“These individual and idiosyncratic responses to random events and to common environmental factors predominate,” he says.

The first very large, reliable study of identical twins was conducted in Australia in 1991, followed by a large U.S. study about 1997. Then Australia and the U.S. conducted more twin studies in 2000, followed by several studies in Scandinavia, according to Dr. Whitehead.

“Twin registers are the foundation of modern twin studies. They are now very large, and exist in many countries. A gigantic European twin register with a projected 600,000 members is being organized, but one of the largest in use is in Australia, with more than 25,000 twins on the books.”

A significant twin study among adolescents shows an even weaker genetic correlation. In 2002 Bearman and Brueckner studied tens of thousands of adolescent students in the U.S. The same-sex attraction concordance between identical twins was only 7.7% for males and 5.3% for females—lower than the 11% and 14% in the Australian study by Bailey et al conducted in 2000.

In the identical twin studies, Dr. Whitehead has been struck by how fluid and changeable sexual identity can be.

“Neutral academic surveys show there is substantial change. About half of the homosexual/bisexual population (in a non-therapeutic environment) moves towards heterosexuality over a lifetime. About 3% of the present heterosexual population once firmly believed themselves to be homosexual or bisexual.”

“Sexual orientation is not set in concrete,” he notes.
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Old 08-19-2013, 10:52 PM   #226
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I bet that if you asked some of your gay friends who are perfectly happy with their lives if they would switch to heterosexual if there was a magic pill that could do it, many if not all of them would say they wouldn't switch. So I'm not sure you're right when you say no one would choose to be gay.
Taking that pill would be choosing to be something you're not. Being happy with who you are now means choosing who you are?
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Just saying. Every gay adult was one a gay child
Every adult was once a child with varying levels of sexual awareness and identity certainty. Beyond that you're overstepping what can be said with certainty.
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How do you account for the examples he gave of people making a choice? Are they all gay but at various times during their lives they tried to go straight because of societal pressure and the difficulties of living a gay lifestyle?
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Yes. That is what I believe.
Are you honestly going to assert that you believe that about that supermodel who was publicly and proudly out but is now boning Johnny Depp?
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Well, gay people would get married, for one thing.
That isn't altering people's behavior. How daft. How will it alter noon homosexuals behavior? Are you afraid the gay will rub off?
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Taking that pill would be choosing to be something you're not. Being happy with who you are now means choosing who you are?
Tell that to the old lady with high blood pressure.
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Taking that pill would be choosing to be something you're not. Being happy with who you are now means choosing who you are?
Most of the people who can't imagine anyone choosing to be gay are straight. The perspective from someone who is gay might be different. That's all I'm saying.
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Do you also consider it unequal that we don't let adults who love children marry them? Or people who love more than one person? Hell, there are lots of heterosexual adults who are victims of unrequited love and as a result can't marry the focus of their love. Whether it's a lie or not, it's kind of ridiculous to define equality that way.
Considering we as a society don't believe a child can make those types of decisions for themselves, it wouldn't be possible for a consensual union would it?
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That isn't altering people's behavior. How daft. How will it alter noon homosexuals behavior? Are you afraid the gay will rub off?
I thought you were in favor of heteros altering their behavior toward homosexuals.

You aren't? I am.
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Fer****ssake, brainiantic comes in with his ridiculous blanket assertion right before the the guy I asked the question to acknowledge that SOME COULD CHOSE.

I guaran****ing-tee there's a shit-ton of lesbians who chose. Married 30 years, then adopts a cat and buys a Subaru and a couple pairs of crocks with her canasta buddy Gayle. The one chick was gay gay gay until Johnny ****ing Depp whipped his skippy out. Anna Heche for years with Steve Martin, then Ellen, then back to some other dude.

Some dudes, might be perfect fine in their adolescence with hetero norms, until that one summer at sleepaway camp, when he found out he could cum AND watch football without some bird yelping at him.

Infinite possibilities, including an infant that could speak immediately upon birth and exclaimed ''doc, get that slimy slit away from me!!!"

I know for myself that it has never been a thought. Put the hottest, coolest, more inviting male in front of me and my only thought is would ever be 'if I was more like that I could drag down more trim.' So I know lack of choice is a possibility, but it's not the only, certainly because no one would ever choose something people might deride you for.

There's all sorts of sick twisted fetishes and taboos, from foot fetish, to glass bottom boats, to pedophilia, that people could be derided for, not ALL of them were non-volitional.
See my post #186. It seems as though you assume being bisexual is a choice.
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Just saying. Every gay adult was one a gay child
I don't think we understand enough of human psychology/biology to determine that.

Hormones trigger so many changes in a person that could play a part. Just the growth of the brain or hormone producing organs could play a part.

I don't really care about the "why."

What is, is...
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Considering we as a society don't believe a child can make those types of decisions for themselves, it wouldn't be possible for a consensual union would it?
I've already addressed this. Meanwhile, you failed to address the other parts of my post.
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Yeah. It's the same.



Don't get hysterical, Bruce. I support your right to marry any fruit that can suffer your bullshit. I'm not worried at all that I'll be asked next to bless the special relationship Clem has with his livestock.
You're a loon.
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Considering we as a society don't believe a child can make those types of decisions for themselves, it wouldn't be possible for a consensual union would it?
Sure, but that is precisely why the equal protection argument is so weak. Pedophiles are not being treated equal in the standard you are insisting on to marry THE PERSON THEY LOVE, even though they could still marry a person of age of the opposite sex.
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Yeah. It's the same.



Don't get hysterical, Bruce. I support your right to marry any fruit that can suffer your bullshit. I'm not worried at all that I'll be asked next to bless the special relationship Clem has with his livestock.
I've been married to the same woman for 27 years. How about you?

My support of gay marriage has nothing to do with me and everything to do with fairness.

And it is NOT the same. If you were told you wouldn't be allowed to marry the person you love, but you can marry anyone from a group that you aren't attracted to, don't love or want to marry does that sound like the same as what straight people have?

Why do you guys feel a need, when you are losing the argument, to resort to implying that the other person is gay? I personally don't consider it to be an insult, but that is clearly what you intended. Implying I'm gay in order to insult me does not help your case that your opinion isn't based on your homophobia.
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