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Old 02-16-2018, 08:55 AM  
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I could sure use some help understanding why Trump shot down the immigration deal.

A bipartisan group of Senators came up with a deal that:

1. Protected roughly 2 million DREAMers.
2. Offered Trump every penny he needs to build a wall.
3. Prevents DACA recipients from sponsoring their parents for legal status.

This couldn't clear a filibuster, but more shockingly, Trump said he'd veto it if it passed anyway.

Democrats completely caved here: they were prepared to give the President $25 billion for a border wall. Which he ran on. In exchange, he'd protect DREAMers. Not something he ran on, but something he's said he supported as President.

The President himself supported a much less popular plan that only got 39 votes (the plan above got 54, and probably 55 had McCain been healthy enough to vote).

The President's plan would have cut legal immigration down by about 50%, protected DREAMers, and fully funded the Wall.

Is the problem here really that the Senate didn't want to slice down legal immigration?

Explain this to me.
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:05 AM   #2
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Trump specifically stated he refused it since it doesn't build the wall. I'll trust he knows more about this bill than you.


And you're being way emotional about this issue, it's impossible to talk to Libs about immigration.
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:07 AM   #3
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Trump specifically stated he refused it since it doesn't build the wall. I'll trust he knows more about this bill than you.


And you're being way emotional about this issue, it's impossible to talk to Libs about immigration.
I thought Mexico was going to pay for it? Now the taxpayers do? Seems like you guys got conned.
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:11 AM   #4
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I thought Mexico was going to pay for it? Now the taxpayers do? Seems like you guys got conned.
I don't know where Trump stands on it, but he still can make Mexico pay for it in trade deals. And Mexico would have little choice other than bend over and take it. Trade with America is VITAL to them.
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:13 AM   #5
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I don't know where Trump stands on it, but he still can make Mexico pay for it in trade deals. And Mexico would have little choice other than bend over and take it. Trade with America is VITAL to them.
Pretty much, anyone who suggest otherwise is retarded
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:16 AM   #6
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Is the problem here really that the Senate didn't want to slice down legal immigration?
I haven't seen what this plan includes, good and bad, so I can't comment. But this is pretty damn important to me. And he might be considering the working class vote. Dunno
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:16 AM   #7
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Legitimizing obama's illegal move in creating DACA by giving amnesty to almost 2 million illegals is a huge concession for Rs and their constituents.
In return they are standing firm so far on getting in return:

*Chain migration restriction provisions
*End visa lottery
*Controlled immigration in the form of merit-based or other
*Border security funding gauranteed, including wall, technology, and personnel
*End of catch-and-release
*No amnesty for parents of DACA or sponsorship by their children
*Kate's law enacted

They won't end up with all of these of course but it's political suicide for them to cave in to the Ds anti immigration control proposals when they hold all the cards now that the budget has been resolved and there can be no shut down.

The Rs are offering a solution for the DACA people and the Ds are declining it.
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:17 AM   #8
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I thought Mexico was going to pay for it? Now the taxpayers do? Seems like you guys got conned.
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I don't know where Trump stands on it, but he still can make Mexico pay for it in trade deals. And Mexico would have little choice other than bend over and take it. Trade with America is VITAL to them.
A trade war with Mexico would hurt US consumers so it would seem like either way we get the raw end of the deal.
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:18 AM   #10
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I've heard at least one senator (can't remember who) that said if Trump had kept his trap shut the one that got 54 votes would have gotten 60. But some backed out when Trump said he wouldn't sign it.
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:27 AM   #11
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I've heard at least one senator (can't remember who) that said if Trump had kept his trap shut the one that got 54 votes would have gotten 60. But some backed out when Trump said he wouldn't sign it.
Good for Trump, then. He'll never have more leverage than he does now with immigration and it would be foolish to give that away for little more than the promise of future wall funding.
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Old 02-16-2018, 10:20 AM   #12
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I've heard at least one senator (can't remember who) that said if Trump had kept his trap shut the one that got 54 votes would have gotten 60. But some backed out when Trump said he wouldn't sign it.
That would have never passed the house... They were funding the wall over 10 years... It was a joke.
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Congress isn't interested in building any wall, ending chain migration, limiting legal immigration or deporting DACA criminals.


Trump is the only hope. Millions of us voted for Trump, not Susan collins or Jeff Flke
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Old 02-16-2018, 10:35 AM   #14
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The vast majority or Americans do not want a bunch of immigrants here.

The majority of Americans want English as the official language.

I’ve even heard some dems say it bothers them democrat leaders always try to pick a minority group to represent instead of just trying to represent the majority of Americans.

Democrats always act like it’s just republicans that block legislation, when reality is the majority of Americans do not support open borders or making people brought here illegal citizens.
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A trade war with Mexico would hurt US consumers so it would seem like either way we get the raw end of the deal.
It wouldn't hurt me. I already buy American every chance I get. And in those rare times that Made in Mexico is the only option, I can swallow an extra nickel or dime here and there. And I am just Johnny Factoryworker. Most people below me on the financial scale get the bigger part of their stuff in the form of government handouts anyway. And of course those above me financially ain't sweatin' a nickel or dime here and there. That sounds like a talking point built in excuse unless I'm missing something?

Personally, I think a trade war with Mexico would be awesome. I hate buying crap made there, but sometimes it's the only option. If tariffs or whatever technique that's used drove the cost of Mexican goods up to the point that it makes it economically feasible to bring them factories back here, AWESOME!!!
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