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Old 02-16-2018, 08:11 PM  
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Is the style of weapon a major factor in mass shootings?

How do you account for what appears to be a fairly sharp rise in the number of mass shootings?

I realize that is an overly broad question, with no simple answer, and almost certainly many different causes, many of which we cannot know, which all come together to ultimately create the tragedy.

So I'd like to narrow the question a bit. Let's assume that mental health issues will always be a large, probably the largest, factor. It pretty much goes without saying. But just as obviously, there are many other factors as well. It's not like all or most or even any significant percentage of the mentally ill go out and do mass shootings.

One factor I believe, which appears to be a major factor with this most recent incident, is a deep interest, or obsession, with guns. But how does that come about? And why did mass shootings used to be a rarity, but now they seem to happen all the time?

"Military style" rifles seem to keep popping up in the equation with mass shootings. With crime in general, it is the hand gun that is most common tool of choice. If someone is going to rob a liquor store, you can bet it's going to be hand gun that is involved.

However, with mass shootings, over and over it seems to be some version of a rifle that is intended to look like an assault rifle.

Gun enthusiasts will tell you, correctly, that functionally these weapons are no different from a hunting rifle. Many or most hunting rifles are semi-automatic, no different than (legal) military style rifles.

But if you go back in time, when there were lots of hunting rifles in circulation, but before military style rifles became so popular and readily available, did we have mass shootings as frequently? I don't believe so. And if not, why not? We certainly had just as many mentally ill people, right?

Since this last shooting, I've been putting a lot of thought into this question, and I wonder, admittedly without doing any research, if it is the specific style of the weapon that attracts the lunatics. What do people typically use hunting rifles for? When you think of a hunting rifle, what do you think of associated with it? Hunting animals, of course.

When you think of a "military style" weapon, what do you think of? Hunting? Maybe, but the style of the weapon would be more likely to evoke images of combat. The weapon is clearly designed to look like something that is used in war. If you play a military type video game at the local arcade, you're going to be shooting something that looks like a combat weapon, not a hunting rifle.

If you're a mentally ill individual, what type of gun is going to pique your interest? A hunting rifle, or something that looks like it would be used in combat. And if you become obsessed with weapons like that, what sort of targets are you most likely to imagine? Animals, or people? People more likely, I think.

I just wonder, if weapons like that were not available, would these people doing mass shootings still do them, but just use hunting rifles instead? It's certainly possible. But it's also possible that the mentally ill individual is actually attracted by the military style weapon itself. The idea of taking his AR-15 with which he is so obsessed, and creating his own reality video game massacre, might be the thing that ultimately steers him in that that expression of his mental illness instead of some other, possibly destructive, possibly not destructive or not as destructive, expression.

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Old 02-17-2018, 02:11 PM   #46
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Yep. I have a weeks worth of food and water just in case. I've also got the Animas River in my back yard and more mule deer running around than you can count if shit really got bad. If all that runs out it looks like me and the dog will be eating the wife.
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Old 02-17-2018, 02:16 PM   #47
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Yep. I have a weeks worth of food and water just in case. I've also got the Animas River in my back yard and more mule deer running around than you can count if shit really got bad. If all that runs out it looks like me and the dog will be eating the wife.
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Old 02-17-2018, 02:38 PM   #48
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Kill less people during a rampage. They are correct. Instead of 16-17 there will probably be a few less if the mag is smaller, but how many psychos are going to follow the law?

That is where every argument they make gets completely obliterated.


A lot of other things can cut down drastically on the body counts, but neither side is willing to agree on anything.


They will switch to home made bombs and potentially kill even greater numbers of people.

It doesn’t matter what you take away there will always be something to replace it. And the replacement will not necessarily be an improvement.
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Old 02-17-2018, 02:53 PM   #49
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One of the biggest pointless talking points from the left is 'high capacity magazines!'

Fine, get rid of 30 round magazines... all a nutjob has to do is take three 10 round magazines, and it takes about all of 2 seconds to swap out empty mags and pull the charging handle on any AR
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Old 02-17-2018, 03:24 PM   #50
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You don't even have to pull the charging handle. A proper functioning AR bolt locks back on an empty magazine so all you have to do is drop the empty, slap in a full one and hit the bolt release. With practice you can do it amazingly quick.
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Old 02-17-2018, 05:11 PM   #51
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I think we'd have less shootings if we put less kids on psychotropic drugs. I think we'd have less shootings if we didn't devalue human life. I think we'd have less shootings if people weren't addicted to celebrity and social media. I think we'd have less shootings if we didn't run God out of our lives.

Americans owning guns hasn't changed. The stuff I listed above has.
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Old 02-17-2018, 05:13 PM   #52
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I think we'd have less shootings if we put less kids on psychotropic drugs. I think we'd have less shootings if we didn't devalue human life. I think we'd have less shootings if people weren't addicted to celebrity and social media. I think we'd have less shootings if we didn't run God out of our lives.

Americans owning guns hasn't changed. The stuff I listed above has.
And less if the more boys had fathers in their homes.
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I think we'd have less shootings if we put less kids on psychotropic drugs. I think we'd have less shootings if we didn't devalue human life. I think we'd have less shootings if people weren't addicted to celebrity and social media. I think we'd have less shootings if we didn't run God out of our lives.

Americans owning guns hasn't changed. The stuff I listed above has.


Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner.

Sadly, it is politically incorrect to say these things and as such they will be ignored.
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I think we'd have less shootings if we put less kids on psychotropic drugs. I think we'd have less shootings if we didn't devalue human life. I think we'd have less shootings if people weren't addicted to celebrity and social media. I think we'd have less shootings if we didn't run God out of our lives.

Americans owning guns hasn't changed. The stuff I listed above has.
Well you just torpedoed half the liberal agenda.
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Sadly, it is politically incorrect to say these things and as such they will be ignored.
Is it insensitive and/or wrong to include participation trophies and the whole "no child left behind" thought process in with his statement as well?
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