Is there a Grownup on the Offensive Staff? - Page 4

KCJohnny · 10-08-2007, 03:13 PM

DV and Al Saunders had the O rolling. Those were career offense guys (at least DV became that in '99). Herm is a defense guy. Solari was an offensive line coach. That leaves Dick Curl (QBs) and Charlie Joiner (WRs).

Is there a bona fide O-guru on this staff? I remember things got so bad in NY that Herm hired Jimmy Raye as a "special offensive consultant" (or something of that nature).

It may be time to hire a grown up to do some quality assurance on the O. Let Solari focus on the OL which is really needy. Somebody suggested Dave Shula - who apparently worked with Brodie Croyle in Alabama. That's a long shot, I know. But when I look at the Chiefs' staff, I don't see anything like an 'expert'.

How long will Carl put up with his O ranked at the bottom of the league?

Hammock Parties · 10-08-2007, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyV13

It wasn't ALL clark's money. Clarks isn't the owner, he's the chairman. He owns the team with his 2 brothers and sister. He's just the Hunt that runs the team.

It's his family's money. Same thing.

Zouk · 10-08-2007, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

i see ..... so by the time it's TOO LATE you will be ready to hold the coaching staff responsible.

Carl loves you

I'd rather Carl be out of the picture. I'm a Herm fan, not a Carl fan. I think Herm inherited a terrible roster.

Mr. Laz · 10-08-2007, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

It's his family's money. Same thing.

it's OUR money ...... he's been playing on the KC dime for years.

hell, he's been funding his soccer team on KC chiefs fan's dime for years.

Mr. Laz · 10-08-2007, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Zouk

I'd rather Carl be out of the picture. I'm a Herm fan, not a Carl fan. I think Herm inherited a terrible roster.

i see .......

i've been a Chiefs fan too long and been through to many coaches to have any faith left.

i see a young marty shottenhiemer ..... before marty realized how stupid his offensive philoshophy was.

KCJohnny · 10-08-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Zouk

Because coaching is not the problem. The problem is physical in terms of blocking. Also Curtis Martin never turned into a cry-baby sulker when the going got tough, and never asked his coaches not to give him the ball if the D was in an 8 man front.

Interesting contrast. Curtis Martin was definitley more mature. I heard Priest say that defenses are putting a spy on LJ. You KNOW that had to happen to the NYJs with Martin. There MUST be a way to beat it. I agree, this OL is awful on runnng plays, I was just wondering how herm got around the same issue with Martin.

LOCOChief · 10-08-2007, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

I no this isnt a popular opinion around here but we need one of those monumentally bad seasons like in the 80s' just to invoke some real change around Arrowhead. If nothing else to send a message to ownership. A half empty Arrowhead is probably the only way to do it.

I'm sure you remember those days as I do, so it is with that in mind that I have to ask, are you fuggin serious? The 80's lasted forever and ever and ever and so on. That would be a really bad experiment IMO

KCJohnny · 10-08-2007, 06:39 PM

I would hope that this O can adjust to the personnel that they have. The 2000 Chiefs lost their RB on day 1 and had to feature T-Rich who actually finished the season ranked #2 in yards-per-touch for all NFL RBs (Tiki Barber was #1). Gun went to a pass/pass/pass O that set some passing/scoring records at the time. In '99, all Gun wanted to do was he called "Maulball" - plow his RBbC inside and go over the top on play-action. By week 3, he made the adjustments and the chiefs actually scored 54 points in a game and had another where Grbac threw for 504 yards.

Hopefully Herm and his staff that has zero offense experts will analyze his talent and adjust the playbook.

Deberg_1990 · 10-08-2007, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by LOCOChief

I'm sure you remember those days as I do, so it is with that in mind that I have to ask, are you fuggin serious? The 80's lasted forever and ever and ever and so on. That would be a really bad experiment IMO

I want change. I see a half empty Arrowhead as the fastest way to get change.

KCJohnny · 10-08-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

I want change. I see a half empty Arrowhead as the fastest way to get change.

If you want change, that begins with crafting a team identity around the players you DO have and not the scheme you insist on.

10-08-2007, 03:13 PM
KCJohnny Blind, deceived homer Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Maryland, USA Casino cash: $10004900	Is there a Grownup on the Offensive Staff? DV and Al Saunders had the O rolling. Those were career offense guys (at least DV became that in '99). Herm is a defense guy. Solari was an offensive line coach. That leaves Dick Curl (QBs) and Charlie Joiner (WRs). Is there a bona fide O-guru on this staff? I remember things got so bad in NY that Herm hired Jimmy Raye as a "special offensive consultant" (or something of that nature). It may be time to hire a grown up to do some quality assurance on the O. Let Solari focus on the OL which is really needy. Somebody suggested Dave Shula - who apparently worked with Brodie Croyle in Alabama. That's a long shot, I know. But when I look at the Chiefs' staff, I don't see anything like an 'expert'. How long will Carl put up with his O ranked at the bottom of the league?
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10-08-2007, 06:39 PM	#52
KCJohnny Blind, deceived homer Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Maryland, USA Casino cash: $10004900	I would hope that this O can adjust to the personnel that they have. The 2000 Chiefs lost their RB on day 1 and had to feature T-Rich who actually finished the season ranked #2 in yards-per-touch for all NFL RBs (Tiki Barber was #1). Gun went to a pass/pass/pass O that set some passing/scoring records at the time. In '99, all Gun wanted to do was he called "Maulball" - plow his RBbC inside and go over the top on play-action. By week 3, he made the adjustments and the chiefs actually scored 54 points in a game and had another where Grbac threw for 504 yards. Hopefully Herm and his staff that has zero offense experts will analyze his talent and adjust the playbook. __________________
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