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Old 09-22-2014, 11:16 PM  
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Is Aaron Rodgers GROSSLY overrated?
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I watched the entire GB/Det game and I must say...Rodgers has not gotten better at getting rid of the ball. He's got a lot of Alex Smith in him in that regard. He takes a TON of unnecessary sacks. It's bothersome. He also missed a wide open Jordy Nelson when trying to come back on 4th and 5 with a terrible pass 3 yards behind him in a clean pocket...

He's had 1 good playoff run. So has Joe Flacco.

Why does everyone think he's the best QB in the NFL?

I think he's top 5, certainly. But I also don't understand how Tony Romo is a choker, but Aaron Rodgers is not?

I have been grossly unimpressed with Rodgers this year...and in all honesty, the last few postseasons...super meh.

I've said this for a few years now, but...I'd take Russell Wilson over Aaron Rodgers and at this point, I don't even think it's close.

Also, Rodgers is nowhere near Peyton Manning (obvi) or IN HIS PRIME Tom Brady, let's be honest.
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Old 09-25-2014, 07:40 AM   #151
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Translation: Aaron Rodgers is great for Fantasy Football, not the best when you actually need to win a game.

To be honest, ever since he got paid, games where he looks erratic as a passer have increased in number. I haven't seen him consistently make the same throws to Jordy Nelson that he used to be money on before he turned 30 (going to be 31 this year).

In back to back playoff appearances, Rodgers has missed multiple throws that he would typically make during the regular season. He used to be able to routinely drop the ball into the hands of his receiver on back-shoulder passes, even with a DB playing pretty tight coverage. I haven't seen him making those throws anywhere near as consistently as he did just a couple of years ago.
Agree he's not as effective but still really damn good and still in that elite bucket.

But if we are talking about the best... I'm tough on Peyton because he hasn't been a great playoff closer, but Rodgers has been bad at closing both in the regular season and the playoffs. If I'm comparing the best to the best, that's where I see Rodgers as being overrated. He's among the best but until he can consistently play well in close games, he shouldn't be considered the best which many think he is.
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Old 09-25-2014, 07:44 AM   #152
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Is Barry Sanders NOT a top 3 RB of all time because he never got a ring?

Peyton Manning changed the game. No matter how much people hate him due to rivalry, over-endorsement, playoff record, or whatever the case... he is still one of the top 3 QB's of ALL TIME.
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Old 09-28-2014, 01:26 PM   #153
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Old 09-28-2014, 01:31 PM   #154
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Peyton Manning changed the game. No matter how much people hate him due to rivalry, over-endorsement, playoff record, or whatever the case... he is still one of the top 3 QB's of ALL TIME.
No, he's not.

While you can argue guys like Barry Sanders or Terrel Davis or Kurt Warner deserve consideration they all upped their game.

Manning's numbers in the post season are ALL down. He plays worse when the games matter most.

His TD's, Int's, yardage, completion percentage, all are below his regular season averages. He sucks, hard, in big games...
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Old 09-28-2014, 01:37 PM   #155
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Peyton Manning changed the game. No matter how much people hate him due to rivalry, over-endorsement, playoff record, or whatever the case... he is still one of the top 3 QB's of ALL TIME.

Manning's borderline top 10. There's no way in hell he's in the top 3.
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Manning's borderline top 10. There's no way in hell he's in the top 3.
Montana, Elway, then the rest. So hard to say who's top ten. Manning is as cerebral as any though...
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Montana, Elway, then the rest. So hard to say who's top ten. Manning is as cerebral as any though...
Until the playoffs.

His own brother is a better playoff QB and he's no HOF player...
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Until the playoffs.

His own brother is a better playoff QB and he's no HOF player...
Valid critique. Would be more damning if he didn't have a ring.
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Valid critique. Would be more damning if he didn't have a ring.
How many passing attempts did Manning have vs the Bears in that SB?...
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How many passing attempts did Manning have vs the Bears in that SB?...
I hear you but it cuts both ways. If a qb is blamed for losing a playoff game he gets credit for winning one...
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Rodgers > Manning if I was to pick for my team.
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Rodgers > Manning if I was to pick for my team.
Can't argue it. When it's go-time, he goes.
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I never said Rodgers wasn't a good QB...he's definitely a top 5 NFL QB. My point was I didn't understand why he gets a free pass for having such a terrible record in close games. Isn't that how CP defines how good a QB is? Because that's why Peyton Manning, according to someone a few posts ago, isn't a top 10 NFL QB of all-time (hysterical, by the way).

I mean, Rodgers' record is MISERABLE in close games. Really, really, really bad. I don't feel like looking it up, but the sample size is alarming. It's not some coincidental stat.

And as for Peyton Manning and his 1 Super Bowl...

It's really quite hilarious that he doesn't get credit for how well he played in that Super Bowl.

First off, the Bears made the Super Bowl, with Rex Grossman...because why? Because, outside of the 2000 Ravens, that was the best defense of the last 15 ****ing years. It was amazing. It was unbelievable. It literally led them to a Super Bowl with Rex ****ing Grossman.

Peyton Manning literally kept the Colts on the field for 39 minutes that game and was very efficient...you know, against the 2nd best defense of the last two decades.

Not only that...

But in that postseason...he beat Tom Brady in the AFC Championship Game after his team was trailing 21-3.

21-3.

Against Tom Brady.

NOT QUITE SURE HOW THAT'S CHOKING

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and then he beat the vaunted Bears defense after, again, quickly falling down 10-0 in that game...

and he literally had a fantastic game against a fantastic defense

so you guys are simply a bunch of ****ing morons when it comes to Peyton Manning

Peyton Manning is certainly a top 3 NFL QB of all time. He's certainly higher than Tom Brady (probably top 5 as well).

and, again...

HE IS NOT ANY MORE CLUTCH OR LESS CLUTCH THAN TOM BRADY. THE SAME TOM BRADY EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD PARADES AS A CLUTCH QB.

and both Tom Brady and Peyton Manning have had more clutch postseason wins than Aaron Rodgers to this date.

and I still think the best game Aaron Rodgers ever played in the postseason was the first one he played, which he lost, to Arizona and Kurt Warner.
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