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Old 03-05-2013, 11:03 AM  
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The Chiefs are taking Geno #1; bank on it

Andy loves him some QBs. And KC has been a bottomless pit of QB suckage. While folks initially freaked out over the ASmith signing (me included), once they locked up Bowe and Albert, it seemed pretty clear that Geno will be the choice at #1.

People say you don't draft a QB #1 to sit on the bench, the first pick of the draft isn't a backup QB. They are right. They say ASmith will be the starter, especially given his compensation. They are right. Ummm, does that mean that Geno is being groomed for a year or two behind Alex? Not necessarily.

What? That is nonsense!

Only in the traditional sense.

I think Reid and Dorsey are thinking waaay outside the box on this one.

If (when) the Chiefs draft Geno, the whole idea of a "backup" QB will be shook up. "Backup" will be a matter of semantics. "Starting" will be a matter of semantics as well.

Reid and Dorsey both see the need for 2 "starting caliber" QBs on a team in today's NFL. San Fran proved beyond a shadow of a doubt last year that it really pays to have 2 QBs on your team who can start for you.

If one "starting caliber" QB goes down, you have another "starting caliber" QB ready to be plugged in and the team doesn't miss a beat.

It has been repeated ad nauseum on this board that the QB is the most important position in all of football. When you have an offense that is predicated on throwing the football 40+ times a game, you can't afford to have a dropoff in productivity should one of your QBs goes down for a time, otherwise your season is effectively over.

Reid and Dorsey get this.

As fans, especially Cheifs fans, we need to rethink our conceptions of "backup" and "starting" and realizing we are entering an era of "starting caliber" QBs.

We are being built to win.

We are being built to win even in the face of adverse contingencies.

We are going to win.

And I like it.
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:03 PM   #241
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No, it would be addressing the complete failure of this franchise to address the QB position over the last 40 years.
If you have 2 starting QB's then you don't have 1 good one. They will never invest that much into the QB position nor should they.
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:04 PM   #242
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The franchise's history in preceding decades has exactly nothing to do with anyone associated with the Chiefs today. Not even Clark.
True, except for the gaping hole of talent at quarterback on this team.
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:04 PM   #243
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If you have 2 starting QB's then you don't have 1 good one. They will never invest that much into the QB position nor should they.
What other position would you have them throw money at?
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:05 PM   #244
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If you have 2 starting QB's then you don't have 1 good one. They will never invest that much into the QB position nor should they.
You are dumb as ****.

Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers meant the Packers didn't have a a good one?
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:09 PM   #245
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You are dumb as ****.

Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers meant the Packers didn't have a a good one?
Damn, you are an angry little man when people disagree with you.

Favre was in his mid 30s when Rodgers was drafted and "Retired" for his first time only 2 seasons later. Hardly the same circumstance at all.

Now if Favre was brought into the Packers the year Rodgers was drafted you would have an argument. But that would have been a stupid thing to do, wouldn't it?
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:10 PM   #246
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Damn, you are an angry little man when people disagree with you.

Favre was in his mid 30s when Rodgers was drafted and "Retired" for his first time only 2 seasons later. Hardly the same circumstance at all.
They weren't two starting QBs on the same roster? Really?
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:12 PM   #247
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They weren't two starting QBs on the same roster? Really?
Again, if Alex Smith were 7 years older and closer to retirement, you would have an argument. As it stands, this comparison is just not comparable at all.
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:16 PM   #248
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Again, if Alex Smith were 7 years older and closer to retirement, you would have an argument. As it stands, this comparison is just not comparable at all.
Uhhhh no. He simply stated that have 2 starting QBs on your roster means that you don't have a good one. He didn't clarify age or anything of that nature.
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:18 PM   #249
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It would be monumentally stupid to draft him now that they have 2 seconds wrapped up in Smith, or whatever it is. The team has too many holes to do something crazy like spend 4 or 5 second round picks worth of value on the starting and backup QBs - not to mention wrapping $15 million or more in cap space up by acquiring a luxury backup.

Trading down is the only thing that makes any kind of sense. If Geno was their guy, they'd have not purposed to not only look into Alex Smith but to WIN the bidding for him, and to do so at a price that made most people balk.

And the idea they got Smith to go for this and then will bring in someone to challenge him for the job is equally dumb.

We haven't even heard details of the contract extension Smith has agreed to yet. Once that comes out, this will be even more silly.
You guys are imbeciles. It's the most important position on the field. Throw as many resources as you can till it's fixed. It's the one position where if you have an elite player you can win a championship with a flawed team.
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Uhhhh no. He simply stated that have 2 starting QBs on your roster means that you don't have a good one. He didn't clarify age or anything of that nature.
Well, I did. The move made sense for a team with an aging QB.

Drafting Geno Smith doesn't. I am sorry you don't like it, but I will bet dollars to donuts it simply doesn't happen.
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:20 PM   #251
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If you have 2 starting QB's then you don't have 1 good one. They will never invest that much into the QB position nor should they.
That would be as stupid as having Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick on the same team.

Or Matt Flynn and Russell Wilson.

Or RG3 and Kirk Cousins.

What a stupid plan that would be. Jim Harbaugh, Pete Carroll and Mike Shanahan are all idiots.
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:21 PM   #252
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Not at all. It's an investment towards the future. Alex SMith will be 29 when the season starts, and has played 16 games a season only twice in his career. Sounds like a solid backup is a necessary thing with this guy.

I guess we'll know once (if) the trade actually goes through what they really think. If Alex is THE GUY with nobody to push him, they will tear up his contract and re-sign him to a fat new one.
so first you think they will trade a draft using major resources in the same year for 1 position.

then you still cling to maybe the trade won't happen


keep hope alive, man.
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You guys are imbeciles. It's the most important position on the field. Throw as many resources as you can till it's fixed. It's the one position where if you have an elite player you can win a championship with a flawed team.
Dan Marino, Fran Tarkenton, Jaws Jaworski, Jim Hart, and Steve Grogan all disagree with you.

Meanwhile Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, and Brad Johnson agree with you.
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Favre was in his mid 30s when Rodgers was drafted and "Retired" for his first time only 2 seasons later. Hardly the same circumstance at all.

Now if Favre was brought into the Packers the year Rodgers was drafted you would have an argument. But that would have been a stupid thing to do, wouldn't it?
Maybe I'm not understanding the question, but ......look at the results

Rodgers got to chillax and learn a couple seasons behind a legend...who is to say he didn't learn a TON from favre......

Does your question just assume the results would be the same? Or is there any acknowledgement that playing behind favre a couple seasons couldve helped rodgers a lot?
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Well, I did. The move made sense for a team with an aging QB.

Drafting Geno Smith doesn't. I am sorry you don't like it, but I will bet dollars to donuts it simply doesn't happen.
So the Redskins invested two #1s, a #2, and a #4 in two rookie quarterbacks. What imbeciles THEY are!

Or maybe they understand the value of the quarterback position a little better than you do.
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