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Old 02-03-2012, 11:32 PM  
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Chiefs hire Daboll
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:26 AM   #211
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Daboll, who turns 37 in a couple of months, was on staff for two years in New England after the Patriots drafted Matt Cassel in 2005. Though this isn't a sexy hire for Kansas City, Cassel has enjoyed his best two NFL seasons (2008, 2010) in systems just like Daboll's. While Romeo Crennel has vowed to create competition, Chiefs GM Scott Pioli is still a huge Cassel supporter. Feb 4 - 12:56 AM
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:28 AM   #212
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Daboll, who turns 37 in a couple of months, was on staff for two years in New England after the Patriots drafted Matt Cassel in 2005. Though this isn't a sexy hire for Kansas City, Cassel has enjoyed his best two NFL seasons (2008, 2010) in systems just like Daboll's. While Romeo Crennel has vowed to create competition, Chiefs GM Scott Pioli is still a huge Cassel supporter. Feb 4 - 12:56 AM
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter

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Old 02-04-2012, 03:29 AM   #213
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I think the decision was made largely to ensure Cassel had an advantage in the 'competition.' Same system. It allows some continuity, but that largely benefits the QB.

The team has preached competition for Cassel all along, and it's always been hollow. I define people by actions, not words. Pioli and the coaches can talk competition all they want, but from what I've seen there's really been no effort made to bring in anyone who could compete with Cassel. They've said this before, but their actions appear to show them quite committed to Cassel.
This may all be true, but in the bigger picture, keeping the same system should actually be a good thing if you want to get rid of Cassel.

If we'd hired Saunders or anyone else with a new system, that's probably two more years of Cassel minimum. Definitely with Saunders because all we'd hear about was how Trent, a guy who already knew the offense, sucked his first year here. They wouldn't dump Cassel after a bad year in a new offense.

But if the offense is the same and Cassel shits the bed, what excuse is Pioli going to have to defend him? He'd have no choice but to make a move, unless he's just gonna go down with the ship.
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:30 AM   #214
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this keeps getting worse the more I dig into it.

Chad Pennington 2006
10-6 w/l record

Chad Penningtons 2007 (his only one with Daboll)
1-7 w/l record

Chad Pennington 2008 (after he left Daboll and NY and went to the 1-15 Dolphins)
11-5 W/L record

In those 3 years:

Penningtons TD:INT ratio WITHOUT Daboll:

36:23

Penningtons TD:INT ratio WITH Daboll

10:9

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Brett Favre had one of his worst passing years ever with Daboll.

2007 (the year BEFORE Daboll touched him)
13-3 win loss record
95.7 QB rating
260 yards per game
7.8 YPA
4155 yards
5.2 TD%
28:15 TD:INT

Pretty good year, fell barely short of the Superbowl.

2007 (His ONLY year with Daboll)
9-7 W/L record
81 QB rating (-14.7 points)
217 yards per game (-43 yards per game)
6.7 YPA (-1.1 YPA)
3472 yards (-683 yards)
4.2 touchdown % (-1%)
22:22 TD:INT ratio (-6/+7)

Thats ****ing garbage!

Now, lets look how he did the very next year on his next team...

2009
12-4 win loss record (just shy of the superbowl, again)
107.2 QB rating (+26.2)
262.6 yards per game (+45 YPG)
7.9 YPA (+1.3 YPA)
4202 yards passing (+730 yards)
6.2 TD% (+2%)
33:7 TD:INT ratio (+11/-15)


61:22 TD:INT ratio in the two years surrounding his time with Daboll.
22:22 with him.

25-7 WITHOUT Daboll
9-7 WITH HIM

Averaged just about 100 QB rating without him, 81 with him.

Averaged about 45 yards PER GAME LESS with Daboll.

I dont know how much further I want to dig....its looking awfully bleak so far.

**** this hire.

If Zorn walks because we hired this guy....
Damn, that is some condemning shit.
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:32 AM   #215
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This may all be true, but in the bigger picture, keeping the same system should actually be a good thing if you want to get rid of Cassel.

If we'd hired Saunders or anyone else with a new system, that's probably two more years of Cassel minimum. Definitely with Saunders because all we'd hear about was how Trent, a guy who already knew the offense, sucked his first year here. They wouldn't dump Cassel after a bad year in a new offense.

But if the offense is the same and Cassel shits the bed, what excuse is Pioli going to have to defend him? He'd have no choice but to make a move, unless he's just gonna go down with the ship.
It basically looks like Pioli is circling the wagons around Cassel so yeah, he'll definitely go down with the ship if Cassel craps himself in 2012. Every hire Pioli has made has been with continuity and friendliness to his $60 million dollar man. They've spent 1/3rd that in coaching salaries just getting guys here who will work with the agenda.
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:33 AM   #216
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:34 AM   #217
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No one with actual ability to reason considers one game as the determining factor.
I'm all in until proven otherwise based on the lone fact that Daboll's crappy Miami offense beat our awesome defense (albeit sans Berry). I've swilled the Piole/Hunt cool aide, and I don't care what any of you think...HIcup!
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:34 AM   #218
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Daboll, who turns 37 in a couple of months, was on staff for two years in New England after the Patriots drafted Matt Cassel in 2005. Though this isn't a sexy hire for Kansas City, Cassel has enjoyed his best two NFL seasons (2008, 2010) in systems just like Daboll's. While Romeo Crennel has vowed to create competition, Chiefs GM Scott Pioli is still a huge Cassel supporter. Feb 4 - 12:56 AM
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter

http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1354/chiefs-offense
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:36 AM   #219
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They hired him sole b/c of what "he was able to do with Moore". Thinking he can get the most out of Cassel.
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It basically looks like Pioli is circling the wagons around Cassel so yeah, he'll definitely go down with the ship if Cassel craps himself in 2012. Every hire Pioli has made has been with continuity and friendliness to his $60 million dollar man. They've spent 1/3rd that in coaching salaries just getting guys here who will work with the agenda.
Which would be a great thing... devoting your staff to developing your star QB. Building the staff for him.

I say 'would' because there's obviously a serious problem with us doing it.
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They hired him sole b/c of what "he was able to do with Moore". Thinking he can get the most out of Cassel.
Moore flashed similar ability in Carolina. I think that's a strawman. Moore is simply better than people think.
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He also wanted to trade for Kyle Orton in Miami prior to last year, to replace the guys he already had on roster like Chad Henne and Moore.

At least there's that.
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He also wanted to trade for Kyle Orton in Miami prior to last year, to replace the guys he already had on roster like Chad Henne and Moore.

At least there's that.
I thought they brought in Moore after the start of the season.
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Damn, that is some condemning shit.
Don't think so. He's spanning teams, offensive systems, receivers, opponents, strength of schedule, dome vs. outdoor.

Those numbers aren't really all that goofy when you consider all the factors. Favre was throwing to Coles and Cotchery with the Jets (and Pennington was as well). Pennington's Jets played the NFC East in 2007 which included 13-3, 10-6, 9-7, and 8-8 as well as the undefeated Patriots.

I don't think you have enough data on the table to put all that crap on Daboll.
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