Worrisome Things... - Page 5

Gaz · 09-13-2005, 06:26 AM

Okay, the euphoric afterglow has subsided somewhat, so it is time to look at the Bad Stuff.

I have read some posts bemoaning the yardage we gave up to the Jets. Feh. Yardage means nothing. Just another playtoy for stat monkeys who have no idea what a standard deviation is or what it means. Fugeddaboutdit.

Offense disappeared in the 2nd half. So what? We were up by 17 and went conservative. Personally, I think that was a mistake. You should always firewall the throttle. However, the O did not disappear; Vermeil and Saunders put on the brakes. Well, maybe they just took their foot of the pedal and coasted. Again, not a concern.

Injuries. Ah, there’s the rub. It was a very costly victory. Four starters out. Yow.

In order of importance:

1. Surtain-
You do not mess with concussions, but I sure hope he is up for playing this weekend. I do not believe anyone is going to shut down the Raiders passing game by CBs smothering the WRs. However, the idea of McCleon, Sapp & Washington as the starting CB package makes my dangly bits shrivel up.

2. Sims-
I feel for this guy. First, the elbow injury. And then just when he seemed to be giving the game we thought we had drafted, another injury. Come to think of it, I feel for the fans more than for him. Stinking holdout bastage! The lack of pressure in the interior is going to hurt us. A lot. Hopefully, the Chiefs are looking for a widebody they can sign for the interim. We are woefully thin at DT already.

3. Roaf-
No one is going to replace Roaf, but at least we have some depth with which we can plug the Roaf-sized hole. The toss sweep play needs to be put aside for this week. It is simply not going to be as effective without Big Willie in there. Musical Linemen, anyone?

4. Richardson-
I love the way Richardson plays the game. I love seeing him pancake those Linebackers. But his loss is not as impactful [is that a word?] as the rest. Cruz is no Richardson. But he will have to do. The loss of Richardson indicates more Johnson and less Holmes to me. What do you think?

xoxo~
Gaz
Putting aside the rose-colored glasses.

htismaqe · 09-13-2005, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gochiefs

WTF?

Why would you throw Bartee and freaking WOODS out there at corner?

The last time Woods played corner, we won 5 and lost zero.

Kyle401 · 09-13-2005, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

Jordan looked gassed and unimpressive in the Pats game. I'm not exactly sure he's use to being the feature back after being a backup for 4 years.

We just played a very good game against a good running team and the leading rusher from last year. Jordan needs to be stopped with our front 7 this week.

I saw this headline on ESPN today:

Quote:

Pro Football Weekly is hearing whispers about Lamont Jordan's comfort level as a featured back.

But, I don't have In and couldn't read the article. FWIW I also thought Jordan looked unimpressive in the second half, but figured it was just conditioning and he would work it out.

greg63 · 09-13-2005, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaz

I think we should do that more in every game. We need some trickery with the toss sweep. Fake the toss and throw the other direction or some such. Sure, the toss sweep has been gold for the Chiefs, but predictability is a Bad Thing.

xoxo~
Gaz
A big fan of confused Enemies.

I agree with your analysis, but will the Raider "D" bite on the sweep fake without Roaf on the field? I had originally thought that Surtain would be the least of worries, but now that you mention it - once you have sustained a concussion you do become more susceptible to consequent concussions. Those who play CB are, many times, involved in some major collusion's. Good analysis.

Warrior5 · 09-13-2005, 01:15 PM

Anyone have a good analysis of the

O-line in terms of strengths/weaknesses?

Wallcrawler · 09-13-2005, 01:37 PM

Collins is going to be getting hit early and often. The Raiders offensive line didnt do a good job of protecting him in the opener, and he got a bad case of tunnel vision really quick.

Numerous plays Jerry Porter, and Alvis Whitted were open with Moss drawing 2-3 defenders, but Collins threw it up for Moss anyway because of the pressure.

The Raiders O-line let defenders through, and if they didnt sack Collins, they were hitting him and making him force the throw. On a few big plays for first downs, the plays were called back due to penalties on the Raiders offensive line.

Oakland has never been a disciplined team. They were penalized for around 130 yards in the opener, so it doesnt look like they have improved much in the discipline department.

The Raiders defense will not be able to stop the KC offense, even without big Willie Roaf in there.

Sims' loss will be tough to deal with, but I really see Gun employing more of that 3-4 defense he was utilizing against the jets. It shut down Curtis Martin, and Lamont Jordan is by no means on par with him. We have pretty good depth at DE with Allen, Hicks, Hall, and Wilkerson so going with the one DT out there seems to be the best choice if the Chiefs are unable to sign an adequate replacement. John Browning and Lional Dalton rotating in at the NT position would take the sting out of Sims' loss.

Having Keyaron Fox on the field over Junior Siavii is a no-brainer.

I think Surtain will play. From what Vermiel is saying, he has to have some idea from the team doctors that he Surtain can go sunday. Surtain doesnt have a history of injuries, and concussions are nothing to mess with, so you know the Chiefs' staff will be careful with him. If they say he can go, Im confident that he wont be risking further injury.

Not having Tony Richardson stings, but it isnt all bad. It will open up more opportunities for the 2 TE sets, and possibly 3 TE sets getting Kris Wilson in the game. Dunn, Wilson, and Gonzalez presents big problems for the opposing offense, especially with Priest Holmes or Larry Johnson behind them. Ronnie Cruz wasnt all bad in his replacement of Richardson either.

Overall, I think the Chiefs handle Oakland in pretty convincing fashion, despite having some injured players on the sideline.

htismaqe · 09-13-2005, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Collins is going to be getting hit early and often. The Raiders offensive line didnt do a good job of protecting him in the opener, and he got a bad case of tunnel vision really quick.

Numerous plays Jerry Porter, and Alvis Whitted were open with Moss drawing 2-3 defenders, but Collins threw it up for Moss anyway because of the pressure.

The Raiders O-line let defenders through, and if they didnt sack Collins, they were hitting him and making him force the throw. On a few big plays for first downs, the plays were called back due to penalties on the Raiders offensive line.

Oakland has never been a disciplined team. They were penalized for around 130 yards in the opener, so it doesnt look like they have improved much in the discipline department.

The Raiders defense will not be able to stop the KC offense, even without big Willie Roaf in there.

Sims' loss will be tough to deal with, but I really see Gun employing more of that 3-4 defense he was utilizing against the jets. It shut down Curtis Martin, and Lamont Jordan is by no means on par with him. We have pretty good depth at DE with Allen, Hicks, Hall, and Wilkerson so going with the one DT out there seems to be the best choice if the Chiefs are unable to sign an adequate replacement. John Browning and Lional Dalton rotating in at the NT position would take the sting out of Sims' loss.

Having Keyaron Fox on the field over Junior Siavii is a no-brainer.

I think Surtain will play. From what Vermiel is saying, he has to have some idea from the team doctors that he Surtain can go sunday. Surtain doesnt have a history of injuries, and concussions are nothing to mess with, so you know the Chiefs' staff will be careful with him. If they say he can go, Im confident that he wont be risking further injury.

Not having Tony Richardson stings, but it isnt all bad. It will open up more opportunities for the 2 TE sets, and possibly 3 TE sets getting Kris Wilson in the game. Dunn, Wilson, and Gonzalez presents big problems for the opposing offense, especially with Priest Holmes or Larry Johnson behind them. Ronnie Cruz wasnt all bad in his replacement of Richardson either.

Overall, I think the Chiefs handle Oakland in pretty convincing fashion, despite having some injured players on the sideline.

I was right with you until the last sentence.

These games are never "convincing". I don't see any reason this one will be different yet...

KCTitus · 09-13-2005, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

These games are never "convincing". I don't see any reason this one will be different yet...

Division/Rival games are allways 50/50, IMO. I'd like to think that KC can do it, but when it comes to KC v. Oak/Den you just never know.

09-13-2005, 06:26 AM
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Worrisome Things... Okay, the euphoric afterglow has subsided somewhat, so it is time to look at the Bad Stuff. I have read some posts bemoaning the yardage we gave up to the Jets. Feh. Yardage means nothing. Just another playtoy for stat monkeys who have no idea what a standard deviation is or what it means. Fugeddaboutdit. Offense disappeared in the 2nd half. So what? We were up by 17 and went conservative. Personally, I think that was a mistake. You should always firewall the throttle. However, the O did not disappear; Vermeil and Saunders put on the brakes. Well, maybe they just took their foot of the pedal and coasted. Again, not a concern. Injuries. Ah, there’s the rub. It was a very costly victory. Four starters out. Yow. In order of importance: 1. Surtain- You do not mess with concussions, but I sure hope he is up for playing this weekend. I do not believe anyone is going to shut down the Raiders passing game by CBs smothering the WRs. However, the idea of McCleon, Sapp & Washington as the starting CB package makes my dangly bits shrivel up. 2. Sims- I feel for this guy. First, the elbow injury. And then just when he seemed to be giving the game we thought we had drafted, another injury. Come to think of it, I feel for the fans more than for him. Stinking holdout bastage! The lack of pressure in the interior is going to hurt us. A lot. Hopefully, the Chiefs are looking for a widebody they can sign for the interim. We are woefully thin at DT already. 3. Roaf- No one is going to replace Roaf, but at least we have some depth with which we can plug the Roaf-sized hole. The toss sweep play needs to be put aside for this week. It is simply not going to be as effective without Big Willie in there. Musical Linemen, anyone? 4. Richardson- I love the way Richardson plays the game. I love seeing him pancake those Linebackers. But his loss is not as impactful [is that a word?] as the rest. Cruz is no Richardson. But he will have to do. The loss of Richardson indicates more Johnson and less Holmes to me. What do you think? xoxo~ Gaz Putting aside the rose-colored glasses.
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09-13-2005, 01:37 PM	#65
Wallcrawler How tall is this thing? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ground 0 for enema of US. Casino cash: $4272912	Collins is going to be getting hit early and often. The Raiders offensive line didnt do a good job of protecting him in the opener, and he got a bad case of tunnel vision really quick. Numerous plays Jerry Porter, and Alvis Whitted were open with Moss drawing 2-3 defenders, but Collins threw it up for Moss anyway because of the pressure. The Raiders O-line let defenders through, and if they didnt sack Collins, they were hitting him and making him force the throw. On a few big plays for first downs, the plays were called back due to penalties on the Raiders offensive line. Oakland has never been a disciplined team. They were penalized for around 130 yards in the opener, so it doesnt look like they have improved much in the discipline department. The Raiders defense will not be able to stop the KC offense, even without big Willie Roaf in there. Sims' loss will be tough to deal with, but I really see Gun employing more of that 3-4 defense he was utilizing against the jets. It shut down Curtis Martin, and Lamont Jordan is by no means on par with him. We have pretty good depth at DE with Allen, Hicks, Hall, and Wilkerson so going with the one DT out there seems to be the best choice if the Chiefs are unable to sign an adequate replacement. John Browning and Lional Dalton rotating in at the NT position would take the sting out of Sims' loss. Having Keyaron Fox on the field over Junior Siavii is a no-brainer. I think Surtain will play. From what Vermiel is saying, he has to have some idea from the team doctors that he Surtain can go sunday. Surtain doesnt have a history of injuries, and concussions are nothing to mess with, so you know the Chiefs' staff will be careful with him. If they say he can go, Im confident that he wont be risking further injury. Not having Tony Richardson stings, but it isnt all bad. It will open up more opportunities for the 2 TE sets, and possibly 3 TE sets getting Kris Wilson in the game. Dunn, Wilson, and Gonzalez presents big problems for the opposing offense, especially with Priest Holmes or Larry Johnson behind them. Ronnie Cruz wasnt all bad in his replacement of Richardson either. Overall, I think the Chiefs handle Oakland in pretty convincing fashion, despite having some injured players on the sideline. __________________ She did not open her eyes this morning. I don't know what else to say.
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