Chiefs Harrison of NFL.com ranks his top 10 QB's of '15 and Alex.... - Page 7

**Nzoner** · 05-19-2015, 10:26 AM

You can read the full list and see video here

Here's a small excerpt

Competition was fierce at the 10-spot, coming down to Cam Newton, Matt Ryan, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco and Matthew Stafford. If we were talking overall careers, Manning would be the choice. Flacco presents an interesting argument, because he tends to light it up in nationally televised games. At the same time, there's no question he's been inconsistent since winning Super Bowl XLVII. Stafford's inaccuracy in key spots has driven Lions fans crazy. Newton's calling card has never included on-the-mark throws, but his overall game can be a nightmare for defenses. Ryan, meanwhile, has been the most consistent, and was ultimately the toughest to leave off.

So why Smith?

**BigMeatballDave** · 05-21-2015, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

It had always been my recollection that Jax pretty much spanked KC back in the 90's. More generally, it was my recolletction that KC seemed to shit the bed when they played in Florida as a whole.

Yep. Up until recently, Chiefs could not win in Florida.

In fact, before winning in Miami last season and Jax the year before, I cannot remember a win in Florida.

Edit: They won in Miami in 05. A make up game that wasn't televised.

ChiefsCountry · 05-21-2015, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

Yep. Up until recently, Chiefs could not win in Florida.

In fact, before winning in Miami last season and Jax the year before, I cannot remember a win in Florida.

1993 with Montana, 2005 in the Hurricane Game. I believe that is about it.

KCTitus · 05-21-2015, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

Yep. Up until recently, Chiefs could not win in Florida.

In fact, before winning in Miami last season and Jax the year before, I cannot remember a win in Florida.

Edit: They won in Miami in 05. A make up game that wasn't televised.

That's why Shula always had KC coming to Miami...Did Marino ever play in KC? I certainly dont recall it.

**BigMeatballDave** · 05-21-2015, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

That's why Shula always had KC coming to Miami...Did Marino ever play in KC? I certainly dont recall it.

Once, that I remember. 1991. Chiefs won 42-7.

In58men · 05-21-2015, 11:50 AM

QBs that are better than Alexis

Brady
Manning
Wilson
Luck
Rothlisberger
Rodgers
Brees
Flacco
Romo
Rivers

I would take Cam Newton over Alexis Smith as well.

temper11 · 05-21-2015, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58

QBs that are better than Alexis

Brady
Manning
Wilson
Luck
Rothlisberger
Rodgers
Brees
Flacco
Romo
Rivers

I would take Cam Newton over Alexis Smith as well.

All this bitching you do about Smith and you think he's the eleventh best QB in the league?

In58men · 05-21-2015, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by temper11

All this bitching you do about Smith and you think he's the eleventh best QB in the league?

Actually I forgot about Stafford

Add him to top 10 and I would put these QBs ahead of Smith

Flacco
Cam
Tannehill

And I would even consider Bridegwater over Smith. He's younger and he hasn't peaked like Alex already has. Bridegwater doesn't get media attention like most QBs but I think he did damn good with the little talent he has around him. I guess Alex Smith would 15 best if I broke it down, average spot nothing special.

temper11 · 05-21-2015, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58

Actually I forgot about Stafford

Add him to top 10 and I would put these QBs ahead of Smith

Flacco
Cam
Tannehill

And I would even consider Bridegwater over Smith. He's younger and he's hasn't peaked like Alex already has. Bridegwater doesn't media attention like most QBs but I think he did damn good with the little talent he has around him. I guess Alex Smith would 15 best if I broke it down, average spot nothing special.

That's more like it... but honestly, I thought you'd have him ranked lower still. Far lower. Fair enough.

In58men · 05-21-2015, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by temper11

That's more like it... but honestly, I thought you'd have him ranked lower still. Far lower. Fair enough.

I think it's a fair spot to be honest. Bridegwater is a silent killer though, 7-9 with the AP drama? He did fairly decent.

RunKC · 05-21-2015, 12:54 PM

Brady
Five head
Eli
Rivers
Romo
Luck
Flacco
Wilson
Tannehill
Brees
Big Ben
Ryan

13th IMO.

Not counting Carr, teddy or any QB drafted this year bc of smallsample size

temper11 · 05-21-2015, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Brady
Five head
Eli
Rivers
Romo
Luck
Flacco
Wilson
Tannehill
Brees
Big Ben
Ryan

13th IMO.

Not counting Carr, teddy or any QB drafted this year bc of smallsample size

I don't like to rank, because I have a hard time separating the man from the player. There is no way I'd want Rapelisburger heading up my team so I wouldn't have him in my top ten. Eli to me is too big of a baby. I know he has two superbowl rings on his finger, but when things start going badly, he implodes into a whiney little baby.... doesn't make my list. I just don't like Flacco's play. This is a strange deal in which I think his receivers have made Flacco look better than he is by constantly making incredible catches that Flacco just kind up puts up for anyone to grab. I could be wrong, but not on my list. And I just don't know, or haven't watched, Tannehill enough to have him there.

temper11 · 05-21-2015, 04:49 PM

Follow up article today on the reactions to the QB top 10 list (mainly in regard to Brady and Smith). Here's the link:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...ady-alex-smith

I'm of the same mind when comparing Smith to Flacco as that of the author, shown here:

"So let's go recent, as every quarterback being evaluated now should not have 2008 included. Makes no sense. Let's look at it like politics: a four-year term. Smith vs. Flacco ...

Winning percentage: Flacco .625, Smith .691
Completion percentage: Flacco 59.6, Smith 63.4
Yards per attempt: Flacco 6.84, Smith 7.01
TD-to-INT ratio: Flacco 88:56, Smith 71:23 (this is a massive difference)
Passer rating: Flacco 82.9, Smith 92.8

We didn't include rushing stats, because it doesn't matter that much (at least compared to passing yards) and it would be so one-sided, why bother? So, postseason success is legitimately the only thing Flacco has on Smith, and that's pretty team- and coaching-centric. Just ask Hall of Famers Dan Fouts and Dan Marino. For the record, I don't think Smith is necessarily better than Flacco. However, I believe Smith is trending upward and has Maclin, Travis Kelce and Jamaal Charles to lean on. Meanwhile, Flacco will be trying to integrate rookies at wideout (Breshad Perriman) and tight end (Maxx Williams) -- and we'll have to find out if Justin Forsett can do it again.

jd1020 · 05-21-2015, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by temper11

Winning percentage: Flacco .625, Smith .691

So, postseason success is legitimately the only thing Flacco has on Smith, and that's pretty team- and coaching-centric.

I like that the very first thing he discredits Flacco for doing is having a lower winning % than Alex Smith, but then when it comes to Flacco basically carrying the Ravens to a SB win, something Smith will NEVER do for his team, he ignores it because playoff wins are "too team and coach centric."

temper11 · 05-21-2015, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

I like that the very first thing he discredits Flacco for doing is having a lower winning % than Alex Smith, but then when it comes to Flacco basically carrying the Ravens to a SB win, something Smith will NEVER do for his team, he ignores it because playoff wins are "too team and coach centric."

that's a fair statement... winning percentage absolutely is "team and coach centric" regardless if it is regular season or playoff games. Football is a team sport. No matter how many stats you hold up... team sport.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-21-2015, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Say whatever you want.

I always do.

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Try to sit back and enjoy it.

Oh Imma' enjoy it alright.

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

ChiefsPlanet: Where if you show the slightest bit of optimism, some ****stick will chime in with some snarky dipshittery...

How many moons did it take you to figure this out?

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

Losing 24-14 and 21-16, in Jacksonville, is hardly getting 'whipped' on a regular basis.

Mm-hmm...

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

Yep. Up until recently, Chiefs could not win in Florida.

In fact, before winning in Miami last season and Jax the year before, I cannot remember a win in Florida.

Edit: They won in Miami in 05. A make up game that wasn't televised.

Will you make up your goddamned mind, already?

Thanks, I'll be here all season.

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Nzoner a haw haw haw Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: MIZZOU Casino cash: $26365802	Harrison of NFL.com ranks his top 10 QB's of '15 and Alex.... You can read the full list and see video here Here's a small excerpt Competition was fierce at the 10-spot, coming down to Cam Newton, Matt Ryan, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco and Matthew Stafford. If we were talking overall careers, Manning would be the choice. Flacco presents an interesting argument, because he tends to light it up in nationally televised games. At the same time, there's no question he's been inconsistent since winning Super Bowl XLVII. Stafford's inaccuracy in key spots has driven Lions fans crazy. Newton's calling card has never included on-the-mark throws, but his overall game can be a nightmare for defenses. Ryan, meanwhile, has been the most consistent, and was ultimately the toughest to leave off. So why Smith?
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temper11 Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013 Casino cash: $10014156	Follow up article today on the reactions to the QB top 10 list (mainly in regard to Brady and Smith). Here's the link: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...ady-alex-smith I'm of the same mind when comparing Smith to Flacco as that of the author, shown here: "So let's go recent, as every quarterback being evaluated now should not have 2008 included. Makes no sense. Let's look at it like politics: a four-year term. Smith vs. Flacco ... Winning percentage: Flacco .625, Smith .691 Completion percentage: Flacco 59.6, Smith 63.4 Yards per attempt: Flacco 6.84, Smith 7.01 TD-to-INT ratio: Flacco 88:56, Smith 71:23 (this is a massive difference) Passer rating: Flacco 82.9, Smith 92.8 We didn't include rushing stats, because it doesn't matter that much (at least compared to passing yards) and it would be so one-sided, why bother? So, postseason success is legitimately the only thing Flacco has on Smith, and that's pretty team- and coaching-centric. Just ask Hall of Famers Dan Fouts and Dan Marino. For the record, I don't think Smith is necessarily better than Flacco. However, I believe Smith is trending upward and has Maclin, Travis Kelce and Jamaal Charles to lean on. Meanwhile, Flacco will be trying to integrate rookies at wideout (Breshad Perriman) and tight end (Maxx Williams) -- and we'll have to find out if Justin Forsett can do it again. __________________ **disclaimer. Nothing in this post was meant to offend, or in any way slander the good people of Kansas City or the obviously passionate fans of the KC Chiefs.
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