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Old 11-17-2017, 07:45 AM  
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Tesla unveil Semi, new Roadster, & also teased a "pickup truck"

Anyone watch the unveil last night?



The numbers on the semi destroyed what anyone thought possible.

- 0-60 in 5 sec
- 0-60 in 20 sec under max gross payload of 80k lbs
- 65mph up 5% grade under max lied, compared to 45mph for ICE semi
- 500 mile range
- 400 miles of additional range after 30 min charge
- Guaranteed 7˘/kWh fuel cost(solar) compared to volatile oil
- Nuclear explosion proof glass(apparently cracked windshield takes semi off road)
- 1 million mile guarantee it won't breakdown
- Will never need a brake change
- "Impossible" to jacknife
- Beats semis on economics day 1
- In convoy mode, beats rail on economics

300 miles of range: $150,000
500 miles of range: $180,000
Founders series: $200,000




https://youtu.be/CBTQnmUolas
The Roadster was a complete surprise, and the numbers given destroy any production car you can think of, even a Koenisegg.

- 0-60 in 1.9 sec (this is faster than most Formula 1 cars)
- 0-100 in 4.2
- 1/4 mile in 8.9 sec
- 250+ mph top speed
- 621 mile range (That's Kansas City to Denver without fueling)
- 10,000 nm torque

and that's the base model. Starting at $200k and Founders series at $250k. Destroys million dollar cars.



Also teased a rendering image of a consumer pickup truck with a normal truck in the bed.

https://youtu.be/5n9xafjynJA

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Old 11-21-2017, 03:05 PM   #91
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If someone discovers a way to recharge the battery in less than 10 minutes or creates a swap system, it's game over.
Tesla has a patent for a battery swap.
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Old 11-21-2017, 03:22 PM   #92
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I finally broke down and bought a little Tesla stock solely due to Wal-Mart placing pre-orders on the semi. Don't tell me now that they're going out of business.
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Old 11-21-2017, 03:41 PM   #93
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I finally broke down and bought a little Tesla stock solely due to Wal-Mart placing pre-orders on the semi. Don't tell me now that they're going out of business.
I'm looking at twelve links after lightly searching - all recent - not sure - Fake news?
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Old 11-21-2017, 03:53 PM   #94
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agreed. People dont realize the performance aspects of electric motors. It is a beautiful thing. With electric, you can get max torque right to the wheels immediately. Petrol powered cars will never be able to match the power potential of electric.
Awesome numbers on the new Roadster for sure. Absolutely my kind of car.

Now, we just need to get that tech licensed to some companies that actually know how to build a production vehicle, get the cost down to a number that working consumers can afford, and we'll be all lovely.
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Old 11-21-2017, 03:56 PM   #95
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They used to say Amazon was an unprofitable venture and was going out of business. Now Jeff Bezos is the richest man in the world. Tesla has too much Google money and other rich peoples investments to fail I think.

They are just currently not profitable and struggling to produce as many Model 3's as they hoped. They'll eventually produce enough, and they have more than enough demand to become profitable eventually and as more EV infrastructure and superchargers become available and seen by the public. Every day EV cars will become more and more acceptable, and sought after. Less Billy Bobs who want to hear their engine go vroom vroom and the smell of gas, and more nerds who care about the environment and innovative tech.
They are unsustainable in their current form. If they don't figure out how to lower the price enough to be able to sell sufficient quantity and how to produce said sufficient quantity they will die or change.
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Old 11-23-2017, 01:47 AM   #96
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Tesla is going out of business. They've already announced it - I didn't read the whole thread - but it's all over the web.
Yeah. It's terrible reading the incredibly biased and I'll informed opinions of the Wall Street power brokers. Literally 9 of every 10 stories that come across the wire are negative. Give no credit for 100X growth over 5 yrs, or forcing the entire auto industry to admit defeat and invoke plans tho electrify their entire fleets by 2020.

Truth is, traditional auto makers see profit margins of around 5-7% on moist all offerings outside of trucks. Tesla enjoys 25% margins, and expect to replicate that with the Model 3.

"If they really have high margins, then why do they lose money every quarter?". Henry Ford lost bookoo bucks pouring together the supply chain for the Model T, but it had to be built in order to achieve his vision. Tesla is growing at a faster rate than Ford did btw.

Fact is, if Tesla wanted to be profitable, they would just need to stop growing. That's be fine, if you're fine with producing 100,000 cars a year, but that doesn't really move the needle does it?
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Old 11-23-2017, 01:50 AM   #97
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I'm looking at twelve links after lightly searching - all recent - not sure - Fake news?
It's "Maximum" Bob Lutz spouting off at the cock garage again. It's literally all conjecture.
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Old 11-23-2017, 01:51 AM   #98
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Awesome numbers on the new Roadster for sure. Absolutely my kind of car.

Now, we just need to get that tech licensed to some companies that actually know how to build a production vehicle, get the cost down to a number that working consumers can afford, and we'll be all lovely.
1/10th the cost of comparable cars isn't cheap enough for you? Give me a break.
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Old 11-23-2017, 02:00 AM   #99
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Anyways, here's the big news.

Tesla updated site to include projected costs of Semi. Current numbers are:

300 mile version: $150,000
500 mile version: $180,000
Founders series(limited run): $200,000

That's it boys. Game over. This either indicates a huge development in battery tech with great energy density gains, a huge price reduction of batteries through economies of scale due to the volume of batteries needed for Model 3, Semi and Roadster pre orders, or a leasing model for the batteries or entire drive train.

In Q3 earnings call, Musk said new battery production line #4 would have more production capacity than lines 1&2(?) combined.

Beings he said the older line versions would produce batteries at a higher rate than bullets leaving a machine gun, and you would need a strobe light to see the line in action, I doubt they have simply sped up the production. I personally think they've found a way to mass produce a new tech. Hopefully graphene.

OP updated.

https://electrek.co/2017/11/22/tesla...lectric-truck/

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Old 11-23-2017, 12:24 PM   #100
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1/10th the cost of comparable cars isn't cheap enough for you? Give me a break.
Sure, brah! ****, every working man I know has 100K to throw down for a down payment on a new vehicle.

What the **** was I thinking?!?!?!

I have no idea why this car and company are such a personal thing to you, but you might want to come on out of Mr. Rodgers 'land of make believe' and do a little market research.

Hop back on the trolley, brah. Hop back on the trolley.

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Old 11-23-2017, 11:58 PM   #101
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You specifically commented on the Roadster.
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Old 11-24-2017, 04:00 PM   #102
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The Tesla $150K BEV Semi that nobody will ever see.


Give us $200K up front for a cab only semi and sit back and wait..We will enjoy using your money while you look at pictures. We will b e raising sales prices, lowering payload amounts, and reevaluating cost savings projections.
While you wait you will find the Feds, states, and localities are going to raise taxes and increase restrictions on EV semis. Oh and when the batteries have to be redistributed for weight on the front axle.... you can cry about the promised range not becoming reality.

Just sounds like snake oil without all the data being developed after the fact...

As a well known Trucking author and analyst said: "If I were still in the business and needed replacement or additional trucks for short routes I would go back to the used truck market for at least the next three years. I would wait for the BEV trucks coming out over the next couple of years to prove themselves before taking the plunge, giving time for Tesla and others to build out their recharging networks.

The addition of a founder's series truck just appears to be a desperate cash grab from Musk and company."

I would suggest you buy as many "Founder's semis as your cash flow can afford, Wait for the real specs and costs to be announced and total ignore what Cummin's and others are working on.

55 Tesla Semis are all that have been tendered by $5K deposits and ZERO takers for the Founders edition At $200K for the dopisit with no set price.. I wonder why?
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Old 11-24-2017, 04:24 PM   #103
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The problem is that all the other manufacturers are working on their own tech, and most don't want to pay them. I do like that they have pushed the envelope, and I'm rooting for them to get their build quality up as I like the idea of having another American car company. They are showing how hard it is to start a car company.
They have made their tech free to any other manufacturer who wants it.
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