Results are in Gunther's _efense worse than Greg Robinson's _efense

[Logical]

Guns defense has actually been worse then GRobs

Gun 435 points allowed
Grob 332 points allowed
Grob's 1st year 344 points allowed

Gun 377.3 yards per game allowed
Grob 356.7 yards per game allowed
Grob's 1st year 346.4 yards per game allowed

Gun Turnover forced 20
Grob Turnovers forced 37
Grob's 1st year Turnovers forced 26

In every meaningful category Grob's defense was better than Gunthers.

Edit someone wanted first years compared so I added that as you can see Grob's _efense was still clearly better than Guns even comparing first years.

[Logical]

Originally Posted by Inspector

Yikes!

Kinda scary.

I figured it was due to them using a different fabric softener on their uniforms. But maybe it really is the players.......something to think about.

Hint: My point is that it is the players and that heresy of heresy, Grob may have actually adapted better to the shitty players than Gun is able to do.

[Frazod]

2003 - Pussy schedule

2004 - Brutal schedule

Plus, remember when the bottom fell out - when Maz got hurt. Imagine how bad it could have been in '03 if that injury had occurred in week one.

I don't buy into this Knobinson-was-better bullshit for a second.

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

NO, No, Nooo, there were a lot, and I do mean a lot of people on this BB who were saying Gun could fix the problems. Then when Carl did nothing in the offseason they were saying Gun could still fix the problems with the players we have.

Well folks the facts are in and those were both lies. Gun actually made our _efense worse not better.

[LiL stumppy]

I still would rather have Gun.

[Wile_E_Coyote]

LJ

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

Hint: My point is that it is the players and that heresy of heresy, Grob may have actually adapted better to the shitty players than Gun is able to do.

So GRob gets three years to "adapt" but Gun only one to prove he's a failure?

[Straight, No Chaser]

Originally Posted by frazod

2003 - Pussy schedule

2004 - Brutal schedule

Plus, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH DeBLAH

Simply amazing or is it mystifying (the lack of memory around here). It wasn't a year ago Gunther was hailed as the savior.

One major complaint from arm-chair posters was that Greg Robinson’s defenses were “too complicated”. When Gun was hired I seem to remember he was hailed as the new sheriff in town.

Remember folks, Gunther did say he could get it turned around. His "guys" like Jerome Woods, Greg Wesley, Eric Hicks, Eric Warfield, William Bartee, and John Browning … all players who Gunther had a hand in developing were here.

I do remember one quote:

Originally Posted by Gunther

“We’ve got talent here, some of these guys have to play better. I think we’ll get them to do that.”

What happened?


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[unlurking]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

So GRob gets three years to "adapt" but Gun only one to prove he's a failure?

Of course!

But DV gets to use past SB experience on his resume too!

[unlurking]

Originally Posted by Straight, No Chaser

Simply amazing or is it mystifying (the lack of memory around here). It wasn't a year ago Gunther was hailed as the savior.

One major complaint from arm-chair posters was that Greg Robinson’s defenses were “too complicated”. When Gun was hired I seem to remember he was hailed as the new sheriff in town.

Remember folks, Gunther did say he could get it turned around. His "guys" like Jerome Woods, Greg Wesley, Eric Hicks, Eric Warfield, William Bartee, and John Browning … all players who Gunther had a hand in developing were here.

I do remember one quote:

What happened?


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Hmmm,

I think I remember you giving me shit about saying Dante Hall was not a starting WR too.

"What happened?"

[FringeNC]

Although I think the D improved a little over last year (tougher schedule), given what Philips did in SD and Williams did in Washington, it's obvious that Gunther is no D guru.

The forced TOs numbers are a little shocking.

[Chiefnj]

Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

Hint: My point is that it is the players and that heresy of heresy, Grob may have actually adapted better to the shitty players than Gun is able to do.

I think you are correct. After 3 years of having no talent Robinson was able to design a defense, as bad as it was, that would slowly bleed to death while occassionally creating some turnovers. Gunther thought the talent level was better, designed a more aggressive defense that got more sacks but gave up more big plays and didn't create turnovers.

They both sucked. Past experience tells us however that Gunther can field a good defense. Whether he's given the tools to do it, is another question.

[go bo]

Originally Posted by tk13

Hater! Ryan Sims got his only career interception under GRob!

ha! that's more than bartee has ever had...

[alanm]

In all fairness, You should probably compare Grob's 1st year to Guns 1st year.

[Straight, No Chaser]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

Although I think the D improved a little over last year (tougher schedule), given what Philips did in SD and Williams did in Washington, it's obvious that Gunther is no D guru.

The forced TOs numbers are a little shocking.

I'm not sure Gunther even deserves mention this year. I would note a few others ahead of him in line:
Romeo Crennel / Patriots
Jim Johnson / Eagles
Dick LeBeau / Steelers
Monte Kiffin / Buccaneers

Gunther claimed he could get these guys turned around and HE DID NOT. I think most will cut him some slack because of his legacy from '95 - '98. However, I doubt Gunther will reach the defensive production he got from those years. It helps when you have some talent, like he did in Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, Dale Carter, James Hasty, and Dan Saleamua, etc.

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[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by alanm

In all fairness, You should probably compare Grob's 1st year to Guns 1st year.

GROB's 1st year was his best