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Old 04-25-2011, 03:51 PM  
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Game of Thrones (spoiler-free zone)
A few have suggested it, might as well test the waters. The idea is to give people who haven't read the books a safe place to talk about the show.

A few quick ground rules:
  • No Spoilers!!!!! for upcoming episodes.
  • Larger Song of Ice and Fire discussion should be limited to the other thread although I think a tiny bit of book delving to fill in holes should be okay (example of this would be talking about Catelyn and her treatment of the wolves in the novel, which was alluded to on TV but never really made clear...)
  • Everything that happened that week is fair game once an episode airs. So if you don't watch on Sunday night, I'd stay outta here until you do...
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Old 06-03-2013, 11:16 PM   #1321
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My thinking was maybe to "crank up the volume" for those that have read the books. But that is just a guess.

Even so, that was still just ****ing raw.
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Old 06-04-2013, 03:21 AM   #1322
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My thinking was maybe to "crank up the volume" for those that have read the books. But that is just a guess.

Even so, that was still just ****ing raw.
Pretty much. The show did it's best to intensify that scene, which I felt was appropriate.

In the book you spend days upon days (or hours upon hours depending on how much free time you have) reading about Arya getting so close to Winterfell then once that falls through, in the inn where she met Lord Beric's men, in the book she met a familiar face from Winterfell and he says something to the extent of getting her home.

Then there is so much hope given to Robb's cause if he can just get the Frey's in the fold he would have the Lannister's on their knees. Retribution was at hand. They obey the customs of hospitality by eating salt and bread, all is right with the world. Even Robb's uncle managed to get the good looking girl out of the bunch. Cue Rains of Catamere and what the holy hell is happening?

The whole thing was very dramatic in the show, but the book was unbelievable.
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:43 PM   #1323
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Just watched last Sunday's episode. What a fcking lame storyline. Not even excited to watch the show anymore.
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:50 PM   #1324
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... I can't believe some of the viewer reaction to this. It's dwarfs "They killed my ****a Ned" by miles....

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Old 06-06-2013, 05:22 AM   #1325
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The real-life events that inspired Game of Thrones' Red Wedding
It all started with two very dark events in Scottish history

As shocking as Sunday's Starkicide was, what's even more shocking is that events like these actually happened. Author George R.R. Martin has said that the inspiration for the betrayal is based on two dark events in Scottish history: the Black Dinner of 1440 and the Massacre of Glencoe from 1692. "No matter how much I make up, there's stuff in history that's just as bad, or worse," Martin has said. And he's absolutely right. See for yourself.

THE MASSACRE OF GLENCOE
In 1691, all Scottish clans were called upon to renounce the deposed King of Scotland, James VII, and swear allegiance to King William of Orange (of William and Mary fame). The chief of each clan had until January 1, 1692, to provide a signed document swearing an oath to William. The Highland Clan MacDonald had two things working against them here. First of all, the Secretary of State, John Dalrymple, was a Lowlander who loathed Clan MacDonald. Secondly, Clan MacDonald had already sworn an oath to James VII and had to wait on him to send word that they were free to break that oath.

Unfortunately, it was December 28 before a messenger arrived with this all-important letter from the former king. That gave Maclain, the chief of the MacDonald clan, just three days to get the newly-signed oath to the Secretary of State.

Maclain was detained for days when he went through Inveraray, the town of the rival Clan Campbell, but still managed to deliver the oath, albeit several days late. The Secretary of State's legal team wasn't interested in late documents. They rejected the MacDonalds' sworn allegiance to William, and set plans in place to cut the clan down, "root and branch."

In late January or early February, 120 men under the command of Captain Robert Campbell arrived at the MacDonalds' in Glencoe, claiming to need shelter because a nearby fort was full. The MacDonalds offered their hospitality, as was custom, and the soldiers stayed there for nearly two weeks before Captain Drummond arrived with instructions to "put all to the sword under seventy."

After playing cards with their victims and wishing them goodnight, the soldiers waited until the MacDonalds were asleep, then murdered as many men as they could manage — 38 in all, some still in their beds. At least 40 women and children escaped, but fleeing into a blizzard blowing outside as their houses burned down meant that they all died of exposure.

The massacre was considered especially awful because it was "Slaughter Under Trust" — sound familiar, Game of Thrones fans? To this day, the door at Clachaig Inn in Glen Coe has a sign on the door denying entry to Campbells.

THE BLACK DINNER
In November of 1440, the newly-appointed 6th Earl of Douglas, who was just 16, and his little brother David, were invited to join the 10-year-old King of England Scotland, James II, for dinner at Edinburgh Castle. But it wasn't the young King who had invited the Douglas brothers. The invitation had been issued by Sir William Crichton, Chancellor of Scotland, who feared that the Black Douglas (there was another clan called the Red Douglas) were growing too powerful.

As legend has it, the children were all getting along marvelously, enjoying food, entertainment and talking until the end of the dinner, when the head of a black bull was dropped on the table, symbolizing the death of the Black Douglas. The two young Douglases were dragged outside, given a mock trial, found guilty of high treason, and beheaded. It's said that the Earl pleaded for his brother to be killed first so that the younger boy wouldn't have to witness his older brother's beheading.

Sir Walter Scott wrote this of the horrific event:

"Edinburgh Castle, toune and towre,
God grant thou sink for sin!
And that e'en for the black dinner
Earl Douglas gat therein."
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... I can't believe some of the viewer reaction to this. It's dwarfs "They killed my ****a Ned" by miles....
That dude's reaction/review was pretty disappointing. I checked it out, hoping that he was going to go nuts again, but he was really understated and lame.
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Old 06-06-2013, 08:45 AM   #1327
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Just watched last Sunday's episode. What a fcking lame storyline. Not even excited to watch the show anymore.
I know this is just sadistic, but I love these type of reactions. People are upset, or can't stand the story because the "heroes" are getting clubbed like harp seals. And we are so rarely exposed to such a thing that it is almost revolting to us when we see it happen.

Eazy,

You can be done man, but the story is awesome. Even if you don't read the books, the show is following close enough to still be in the same ballpark. Let it play out you will see that it gets even better.
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Old 06-06-2013, 10:30 AM   #1328
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I know this is just sadistic, but I love these type of reactions. People are upset, or can't stand the story because the "heroes" are getting clubbed like harp seals. And we are so rarely exposed to such a thing that it is almost revolting to us when we see it happen.

Eazy,

You can be done man, but the story is awesome. Even if you don't read the books, the show is following close enough to still be in the same ballpark. Let it play out you will see that it gets even better.
This is true, especially for next season. Everything that has happened this season came from Storm of Swords (Book 3), but the show is only a little less than 2/3 of the way through that book at this point. Starting with the Red Wedding that just took place, the last 1/3 of Book 3 was pretty frickin awesome and full of all kinds of major events. Next season should be great, if you've come this far, you don't want to miss it.
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Old 06-06-2013, 10:58 AM   #1329
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This is true, especially for next season. Everything that has happened this season came from Storm of Swords (Book 3), but the show is only a little less than 2/3 of the way through that book at this point. Starting with the Red Wedding that just took place, the last 1/3 of Book 3 was pretty frickin awesome and full of all kinds of major events. Next season should be great, if you've come this far, you don't want to miss it.
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I'm trying to power through the 2nd book right now so that I can get into the 3rd book. That shit sounds awesome.
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Alternate Red Wedding Ending...No Spoilers

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This is true, especially for next season. Everything that has happened this season came from Storm of Swords (Book 3), but the show is only a little less than 2/3 of the way through that book at this point. Starting with the Red Wedding that just took place, the last 1/3 of Book 3 was pretty frickin awesome and full of all kinds of major events. Next season should be great, if you've come this far, you don't want to miss it.
How many books after Storm of Swords?
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