In 27 years we have drafted and developed 5 offensive lineman

**BigRedChief** · 12-31-2007, 06:17 AM

Heard this stat on Metro Sports.

The List:
John Alt
Tim Grunhard
Dave Szott
Will Shields
John Tait

Makes me wonder if we can re-build our O-Line. Historically we are pretty inept at selecting O-line in the draft.

Eleazar · 12-31-2007, 08:00 AM

You have to credit them for bringing in guys like Willie Roaf, or developing undrafted guys like Waters. It's kind of silly to say it doesn't matter unless we drafted that guy. What matters is if, in any given year, we have a good offensive line or not.

patteeu · 12-31-2007, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

You have to credit them for bringing in guys like Willie Roaf, or developing undrafted guys like Waters. It's kind of silly to say it doesn't matter unless we drafted that guy. What matters is if, in any given year, we have a good offensive line or not.

Yeah, and it also cuts down on the opportunities to draft and develop large numbers of guys when you are so successful at getting guys who are good for a long time. The Chiefs have had a fantastic offensive line for a good portion of Carl's 19 year reign and he and the rest of his coaches and staff deserve some credit for that.

**BigRedChief** · 12-31-2007, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

Yeah, and it also cuts down on the opportunities to draft and develop large numbers of guys when you are so successful at getting guys who are good for a long time. The Chiefs have had a fantastic offensive line for a good portion of Carl's 19 year reign and he and the rest of his coaches and staff deserve some credit for that.

Not arguing that point. The issue was and is still that we can't draft worth a chit with King Carl running the war room.

**BigRedChief** · 12-31-2007, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Not arguing that point. The issue was and is still that we can't draft worth a chit with King Carl running the war room.

Evidence 101

4 113 Brett Williams T Florida State
5 153 Jordan Black G Notre Dame
6 176 Alex Sulfsted T Miami (Ohio)
6 188 Darnell Alford T Boston College
1 14 John Tait T Brigham Young
1 27 Victor Riley T Auburn
7 214 Nathan Parks T Stanford
7 211 Ben Lynch C California
7 241 Jeff Smith C Tennessee
1 31 Trezelle Jenkins T Michigan
6 207 Tom Barndt G Pittsburgh
3 74 Will Shields G Nebraska
5 130 Lindsay Knapp T Notre Dame
10 271 Jerry Ostroski G Tulsa
2 50 Joe Valerio T Pennsylvania
8 218 Tom Dohring T Michigan
2 40 Tim Grunhard C Notre Dame
5 124 Derrick Graham T Appalachian State
5 127 Ken Hackemack T Texas
7 180 David Szott G Penn State
7 Brian Jozwiak G West Virginia
4 87 Tom Baugh C Southern Illinois
4 99 Bob Olderman G Virginia
7 183 Dave Heffernan G Miami (Fla.)
1 21 John Alt T Iowa
9 229 Scott Auer T Michigan State
2 34 Dave Lutz T Georgia Tech
6 146 Ellis Gardner T Georgia Tech
8 204 Irv Eatman T UCLA
9 231 Adam Lingner C Illinois
3 75 Roger Taylor T Oklahoma State
5 124 Todd Thomas C North Dakota
10 262 Les Studdard C Texas
11 287 Dale Markham T North Dakota
9 224 Larry Brown T Miami (Fla.)
4 95 Darius Helton G North Carolina Central
1 14 Rod Walters G Iowa
8 222 Orrin Olsen C Brigham Young
2 41 Charlie Getty T Penn State
4 94 Matt Herkenhoff T Minnesota
9 223 Bill Story T Southern Illinois

splatbass · 12-31-2007, 10:32 AM

We had an excellent O line during the Marty, Gunther and DV eras. This is the first time in Carl's history with the Chiefs that we have had a horrible O line. Clearly drafting isn't the only way to get a good offensive line.

Messier · 12-31-2007, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Evidence 101

4 113 Brett Williams T Florida State
5 153 Jordan Black G Notre Dame
6 176 Alex Sulfsted T Miami (Ohio)
6 188 Darnell Alford T Boston College
1 14 John Tait T Brigham Young
1 27 Victor Riley T Auburn
7 214 Nathan Parks T Stanford
7 211 Ben Lynch C California
7 241 Jeff Smith C Tennessee
1 31 Trezelle Jenkins T Michigan
6 207 Tom Barndt G Pittsburgh
3 74 Will Shields G Nebraska
5 130 Lindsay Knapp T Notre Dame
10 271 Jerry Ostroski G Tulsa
2 50 Joe Valerio T Pennsylvania
8 218 Tom Dohring T Michigan
2 40 Tim Grunhard C Notre Dame
5 124 Derrick Graham T Appalachian State
5 127 Ken Hackemack T Texas
7 180 David Szott G Penn State
7 Brian Jozwiak G West Virginia
4 87 Tom Baugh C Southern Illinois
4 99 Bob Olderman G Virginia
7 183 Dave Heffernan G Miami (Fla.)
1 21 John Alt T Iowa
9 229 Scott Auer T Michigan State
2 34 Dave Lutz T Georgia Tech
6 146 Ellis Gardner T Georgia Tech
8 204 Irv Eatman T UCLA
9 231 Adam Lingner C Illinois
3 75 Roger Taylor T Oklahoma State
5 124 Todd Thomas C North Dakota
10 262 Les Studdard C Texas
11 287 Dale Markham T North Dakota
9 224 Larry Brown T Miami (Fla.)
4 95 Darius Helton G North Carolina Central
1 14 Rod Walters G Iowa
8 222 Orrin Olsen C Brigham Young
2 41 Charlie Getty T Penn State
4 94 Matt Herkenhoff T Minnesota
9 223 Bill Story T Southern Illinois

Wow. You've gone way back before Carl was here. I'd say more than half of those are from the 80's.

suds79 · 12-31-2007, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Makes me wonder if we can re-build our O-Line. Historically we are pretty inept at selecting O-line in the draft.

I'll do you one better BigRedChief.

Historically, (see the last 10 years) we are pretty inept in building a winning team as our GM no longer has it...... If he ever did.

It's going to be a long 2 years.

**BigRedChief** · 01-17-2008, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by suds79

It's going to be a long 2 years.

Maybe not. From Teichers KC Star article.

When asked whether Peterson would be allowed to finish his contract, which runs for two more seasons, Hunt said, “That’s a decision we’ll make down the road and not something that’s appropriate to comment on now.’’

Otter · 01-17-2008, 02:24 PM

1 31 Trezelle Jenkins T Michigan

College career

Jenkins started 28 games for the University of Michigan from 1992-1994. Jenkins is a member of Alpha Phi Alpha, the first intercollegiate Greek-letter fraternity established for African Americans. He was regarded by experts for his large size for an offensive tackle.

[edit] Professional career

He was taken 31st overall by the Kansas City Chiefs in the 1995 NFL Draft. He played in only 9 games in 3 seasons before being waived after the 1997 season. Jenkins was subsequently signed by the New Orleans Saints and Minnesota Vikings but never appeared in a game for either team.

In 2000, Jenkins was drafted 156th overall by the San Francisco Demons of the XFL but failed to make the team

[edit] Harold's Chicken Shack

In 1999, Jenkins and his wife, Dora, opened a franchise of Chicago's Harold's Chicken Shack in Ferndale, Michigan on Eight Mile Road, made famous by Detroit rapper Eminem.

[edit] References

CHENZ A! · 12-31-2007, 10:05 AM

We drafted Victor Riley.

**dirk digler** · 12-31-2007, 10:31 AM

And 0 QB's. DBowe will be the first stud WR Carl has ever drafted as well.

**ChiTown** · 12-31-2007, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

And 0 QB's. DBowe will be the first stud WR Carl has ever drafted as well.

**** You!

Sincerely,

Lake Dawson

**dirk digler** · 12-31-2007, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

**** You!

Sincerely,

Lake Dawson

Lake might have been good if he wasn't hurt all the time.

**BigRedChief** · 12-31-2007, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Lake might have been good if he wasn't hurt all the time.

What about Sly Mo?

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BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $3229627 VARSITY	In 27 years we have drafted and developed 5 offensive lineman Heard this stat on Metro Sports. The List: John Alt Tim Grunhard Dave Szott Will Shields John Tait Makes me wonder if we can re-build our O-Line. Historically we are pretty inept at selecting O-line in the draft.
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Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	You have to credit them for bringing in guys like Willie Roaf, or developing undrafted guys like Waters. It's kind of silly to say it doesn't matter unless we drafted that guy. What matters is if, in any given year, we have a good offensive line or not.
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splatbass MVP Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Honolulu, HI Casino cash: $6730560	We had an excellent O line during the Marty, Gunther and DV eras. This is the first time in Carl's history with the Chiefs that we have had a horrible O line. Clearly drafting isn't the only way to get a good offensive line.
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dirk digler Please squeeze Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $3344644	And 0 QB's. DBowe will be the first stud WR Carl has ever drafted as well.
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