Quarterback Competition? (from Gretz)

[chiefzilla1501]

http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-footb...p-ochiefs.html

Great article by Gretz. Explains the outrage over the QB situation.

If Romeo and Pioli were genuine about wanting a QB competition, they wouldn't be telling the world about who our starting QB is. There's clearly an indescribable boner fest for a QB who's not very good.

[BossChief]

Just because you have a million dollars, doesnt mean you should go out and buy a 250,000 dollar Ferrari.

Especially if you can find far better ways to spend that money and you have a 100 mile commute to work each day.

[Messier]

The Chiefs made their decision on CB when they gave Flowers his contract.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by TEX

WRONG on so many levels. You just don't get it. Way deeper than surface depth with Carr. It's what he represented as much as it was his talent. Go stalk someone who's going to listen to your idiocy.

Stalk? , dude you are posting dumb shit making you stick out like a nail waiting to get hammered.

I know Routt is older than Carr by 3 years and I never said I wouldn't want Carr over Routt.

What is ridiculous is how overblown the difference between the 2 players is being touted by uninformed idiots like you.


There are things to be pissed about regarding Pioli, at least plenty I am pissed about and Carr simply isn't one of them. Its an understandable situation to anyone with half a ****ing brain and we didn't just let Carr walk without filling the void he left and filling it very well. Hell this could be regarded as a win for Pioli at this point.

Thing is when people bitch about dumb shit that is not worth bitching about it makes it seem like they are bitching just to bitch.

That is something that irritates me.

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by Messier

The Chiefs made their decision on CB when they gave Flowers his contract.

That's a load of crap. They still have a ton of cap space, $15 million at last report. That should be enough to sign Carr and rookies. I'm betting even that figure doesn't include the $20 million they rolled over from last year. Let's not kid ourselves that the Chiefs bring in any other FA that will cost a significant amount towards the cap.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by whoman69

That's a load of crap. They still have a ton of cap space, $15 million at last report. That should be enough to sign Carr and rookies. I'm betting even that figure doesn't include the $20 million they rolled over from last year. Let's not kid ourselves that the Chiefs bring in any other FA that will cost a significant amount towards the cap.

It's s 5 year contract.

You can't just sign a guy because you have money now.

You have to consider future ecomomics.

Tying up a 100 mil on 2 corners over the course of 5 years is not fiscally sound.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by whoman69

That's a load of crap. They still have a ton of cap space, $15 million at last report. That should be enough to sign Carr and rookies. I'm betting even that figure doesn't include the $20 million they rolled over from last year. Let's not kid ourselves that the Chiefs bring in any other FA that will cost a significant amount towards the cap.

Many others have pointed out that of course they could afford to sign both, but rightly also pointed out the stupidity of having TWO of the highest paid CBs in the league. What I meant was the Chiefs were only going to give one of them a huge contract, I'm sure they offered a nice deal to Carr, but nowhere near what the Cowboys gave him. If the Chiefs gave Carr the same deal, I'd be saying it's a mistake to tie up so much in DB's.

[Chief3188]

Originally Posted by SNR

Will Crennel legitimately start the best QB from training camp and preseason if he proves he is better than Cassel?

Probably not.

At Crennel's age and this being his 2nd and most likely last chance to show he has it as a HC I think he will to be honest.

Crennel does not seem to be as attached to Cassel as Pioli or even Haley was for awhile. Unfortunately Pioli did a shitty job getting some real competition at the position. My only hope is that Stanzi shows he is ready to be given a chance or that we draft someone high enough this year that can compete with Stanzi for that job.

I just don't get it. This is the perfect time to insert a young QB and give him a chance. We are pretty close to have a damn good Oline on paper, we have the WR's and TE's and a great running game for a young QB to fall back on. But like the rest of you guys I can see the writing on the wall as well that things seem to be set up for Casshole to have another easy path to showing us Chiefs fans just how bad he can shit the bed again.

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by milkman

It's s 5 year contract.

You can't just sign a guy because you have money now.

You have to consider future ecomomics.

Tying up a 100 mil on 2 corners over the course of 5 years is not fiscally sound.

With the amount of cap space they have, they could have frontloaded the contract. Instead they signed a lesser talent who is older.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by whoman69

With the amount of cap space they have, they could have frontloaded the contract. Instead they signed a lesser talent who is older.

They signed him for basically one year.

Jesus. if the guy plays well, they pick up the 2nd year option.

If he doesn't, they cut him.

You know how you end up with no cap space? Giving players exactly what they want just because you have the space.

[Wallcrawler]

Look at the timeframe that was done with Carr. Word has it that the opening bid for Manning was going to be 5 for 90. No way they couldve dropped 50m on Carr and still had a shot at Manning+ improving the o-line.

Besides, Routt should do fine stepping into Carr's role. He excelled when he played opposite of Asomugah, and now he's gonna play opposite of Flowers, with better safety help.


The real issue is at Quarterback. Aside from Matt Cassel being hit by a freakin Greyhound, the Chiefs are stuck with this guy until his contract is up. Im just praying they let him walk when it is.

[O.city]

The Bad Guy said this the other day, but I've never seen a team try so hard to prop up a guy like this.


I really don't know whats gonna have to happen for Cassel to not be the qb of the Chiefs. They have built in excuses at every turn.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by O.city

The Bad Guy said this the other day, but I've never seen a team try so hard to prop up a guy like this.


I really don't know whats gonna have to happen for Cassel to not be the qb of the Chiefs. They have built in excuses at every turn.

Cassel is going to have to really struggle. I know we all say he's struggling already, but his 2010, against bad teams or not, is buying him more time. Also, the best thing that could've happened to Cassel is getting hurt last year. The brunt of the fault doesn't all fall at his feet now. I think if he had stayed healthy, and just continued struggling, we might already have a new QB.

I don't think Cassel is the starter no matter what, but he's got to play poorly, costing the Chiefs games, and or have a poor record to be replaced. If the Chiefs miss the playoffs this year, I think it's Cassel's last.

[O.city]

I would think the same thing, but we were saying this same thing last year.


We are in a spot where we have to extremely hope that Stanzi or Quinn has something special to give, because our GM has decided to strap us onto Cassel.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by O.city

I would think the same thing, but we were saying this same thing last year.


We are in a spot where we have to extremely hope that Stanzi or Quinn has something special to give, because our GM has decided to strap us onto Cassel.

Good point. Just going off what the FO is doing and saying, they seem to be somewhat reluctantly entering the season with Cassel as starter, maybe their faith is shaky enough that Cassel is one bad game away from being benched. I don't know.

[dj56dt58]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

What is the fixation with Carr on CP? Was he a really good player? Yes, is he the backbone of the defense? No.

And despite all the homer ball washing Routt has been rated a better player the last 3 years. You simply can't ignore that unless you just want to bitch just to bitch.

Could the be a drop off this season? Maybe but it will only be slight barring a huge shift in career direction for Routt.

I predict with the return of Berry the defense and secondary will be even better this year and won't be the weak link. Quit your ****ing whining about Carr.

T.H.I.S.