Cardinals ***OFFICIAL*** 2013 STL Cardinals Thread - Page 236

**BigRedChief** · 08:16 PM

From Bernie's column:

People have asked me why we’re not more emotional,” Matheny said in his office after Sunday’s game. “They say that we look subdued, always intense. That our actions are methodical, robotic at times. That’s what got us here. This isn’t the time to change it.”

It’s hard to argue with the manager’s assessment. The Cardinals finished with 97 victories, most by a Cards team since 2005, and tied with Boston for No. 1 in the majors this year.

Their 54-27 showing at Busch Stadium matches the 1985 team for the best single-season home winning percentage (.667) by the Cardinals since 1944.

A postseason theme has emerged, and it echoes the mantra that surfaced before the start of 2013: remember the fall of 2012. Remember falling to San Francisco in the NLCS.

The Cardinals’ veterans still haven’t forgotten. They still aren’t over it. It’s why Matheny resists GM John Mozeliak’s urgings to smile and put on a happier face.

Here's the most impressive aspect of the Cardinals' division championship: they prevailed over two other outstanding teams, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati.

The 97-win Cardinals were better this year (regular season) than they were in 2011, when they won 90 games, and 2012, when they won 88.
Here are a few numbers that help put the Cardinals' Central title and No. 1 NL seed in perspective:

* Since MLB switched to a three-division format in each league in 1994, this was only the sixth time that a division had three 90-plus win teams. St. Louis won 97, Pittsburgh 94, and Cincinnati 90.
* Since the format change, this was only the second time that an NL division had three 90-win teams. In 2002 the NL West had Arizona (98 wins), San Francisco (95) and Los Angeles (92).
* The 2013 Cardinals faced more esteemed and difficult competition at the top of the division than any of the division-winning teams managed by Tony La Russa.

The Pirates were hardly pushovers; the Cardinals had to work like mad and kick in with a strong finish to put the division away, and didn't clinch until Game No. 160.

The Cardinals went 9-10 against Pittsburgh this season and were 11-8 vs. Cincinnati.

The Cardinals won only three of 10 games at PNC Park in Pittsburgh and split the 10 games at Cincinnati. The Cardinals were 6-3 against both teams at Busch Stadium.

The Cardinals (1st), Pirates (3rd) and Reds (5th) ranked among the top five in wins in the NL. The three teams were among the top 11 in wins in MLB. All three teams finished in the top five in the majors for best overall ERA, and each were in the top five MLB for best starting-pitching ERA.

The original purpose to this piece was to point out that the Cardinals managed to finish with the league's best record while competing in a division that had three 90-win teams for only the second time in the last 19 years of National League baseball.

The Cardinals really earned this.
Thanks for reading ...
— Bernie

**BigRedChief** · 07-31-2013, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If you want to trade Adams and Jenkins for Profar, then fine, but even that might be a stretch.

In what reality do you think thats a possiblity? They "supposely" were wanting Taveras and one of our stud pitchers for Profar. A bad year and his value has dopped that bad? Even if that is true, they would hold onto him for at least another year.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It might just be time to accept that, save firing Matheny, the problems this team has are not fixable in a manner that is in the best interest of the franchise.

If this team tanks, gives up, misses the playoffs he has at least one more really bad year. They don't give up but still lose he has two years or more.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-31-2013, 07:16 PM

Should have been a 1-2-3 inning. Instead, the Pirates get gifted a run.

And Waino has been absolute shit tonight in his biggest start of the season.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-31-2013, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

In what reality do you think thats a possiblity? They "supposely" were wanting Taveras and one of our stud pitchers for Profar. A bad year and his value has dopped that bad? Even if that is true, they would hold onto him for at least another year.
If this team tanks, gives up, misses the playoffs he has at least one more really bad year. They don't give up but still lose he has two years or more.

I'm not saying that either is a possibility, I'm saying 1) that's Profar's appropriate value and 2) that's what should happen.

O.city · 07-31-2013, 07:26 PM

In one of the biggest must win games of the season, Waino, our stopper, has been shit.

We really need to win these next 2. If we come out of this trip with a 1/2 game lead, which we would IIRC with 2 straight wins, would be a coup.

Wainwright hasn't had good stuff for a while either.

kcpasco · 07-31-2013, 07:28 PM

So glad MM has kept Kozma around for defense

O.city · 07-31-2013, 07:29 PM

And on McCutchens Sac fly, what the hell is Jay doing double pumping? Just come up throwing and let shit work out.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-31-2013, 07:30 PM

Waino, like Yadi, has been overused by Matheny. He seems to favor the horses that blow themselves out over the first few poles of the Kentucky Derby. He's weak willed and unwilling to assert himself, and it is costing the team. I know Waino is your guy, but he doesn't need to be throwing 115 pitches every start. Look at what has happened to Verlander this year.

O.city · 07-31-2013, 07:32 PM

Waino isn't even close tonight. Trying to gut it out.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-31-2013, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

Waino isn't even close tonight. Trying to gut it out.

And that is moronic. Siegrist needs to get the 7th, Rosenthal the 8th, and Mujica the 9th, no matter the score.

O.city · 07-31-2013, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

And that is moronic. Siegrist needs to get the 7th, Rosenthal the 8th, and Mujica the 9th, no matter the score.

Yes, he needs to be done after that DP.

And FFS, someone hit the ball out of the ballpark.

kcpasco · 07-31-2013, 07:36 PM

Sadly I doubt we score again this game. I hope im dead wrong but this team doesnt play well after 6. Innings.

O.city · 07-31-2013, 07:37 PM

And swings at ball 4!!!

'Hamas' Jenkins · 07-31-2013, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

And swings at ball 4!!!

Nah, that pitch was nasty and he would have gotten that call. This zone is huge.

Marco Polo · 07-31-2013, 07:38 PM

Holliday actually showed up tonight.

kcpasco · 07-31-2013, 07:38 PM

Pirates are playing like. This is game 7 of the world series. The Cards are just going through the motions.

01-25-2013, 05:27 PM
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $3239627 VARSITY	*OFFICIAL* 2013 STL Cardinals Thread From Bernie's column: People have asked me why we’re not more emotional,” Matheny said in his office after Sunday’s game. “They say that we look subdued, always intense. That our actions are methodical, robotic at times. That’s what got us here. This isn’t the time to change it.” It’s hard to argue with the manager’s assessment. The Cardinals finished with 97 victories, most by a Cards team since 2005, and tied with Boston for No. 1 in the majors this year. Their 54-27 showing at Busch Stadium matches the 1985 team for the best single-season home winning percentage (.667) by the Cardinals since 1944. A postseason theme has emerged, and it echoes the mantra that surfaced before the start of 2013: remember the fall of 2012. Remember falling to San Francisco in the NLCS. The Cardinals’ veterans still haven’t forgotten. They still aren’t over it. It’s why Matheny resists GM John Mozeliak’s urgings to smile and put on a happier face. Here's the most impressive aspect of the Cardinals' division championship: they prevailed over two other outstanding teams, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati. The 97-win Cardinals were better this year (regular season) than they were in 2011, when they won 90 games, and 2012, when they won 88. Here are a few numbers that help put the Cardinals' Central title and No. 1 NL seed in perspective: * Since MLB switched to a three-division format in each league in 1994, this was only the sixth time that a division had three 90-plus win teams. St. Louis won 97, Pittsburgh 94, and Cincinnati 90. * Since the format change, this was only the second time that an NL division had three 90-win teams. In 2002 the NL West had Arizona (98 wins), San Francisco (95) and Los Angeles (92). * The 2013 Cardinals faced more esteemed and difficult competition at the top of the division than any of the division-winning teams managed by Tony La Russa. The Pirates were hardly pushovers; the Cardinals had to work like mad and kick in with a strong finish to put the division away, and didn't clinch until Game No. 160. The Cardinals went 9-10 against Pittsburgh this season and were 11-8 vs. Cincinnati. The Cardinals won only three of 10 games at PNC Park in Pittsburgh and split the 10 games at Cincinnati. The Cardinals were 6-3 against both teams at Busch Stadium. The Cardinals (1st), Pirates (3rd) and Reds (5th) ranked among the top five in wins in the NL. The three teams were among the top 11 in wins in MLB. All three teams finished in the top five in the majors for best overall ERA, and each were in the top five MLB for best starting-pitching ERA. The original purpose to this piece was to point out that the Cardinals managed to finish with the league's best record while competing in a division that had three 90-win teams for only the second time in the last 19 years of National League baseball. The Cardinals really earned this. Thanks for reading ... — Bernie Last edited by BigRedChief; 10-02-2013 at 08:16 PM..
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07-31-2013, 07:16 PM	#3527
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8019572	Should have been a 1-2-3 inning. Instead, the Pirates get gifted a run. And Waino has been absolute shit tonight in his biggest start of the season. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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07-31-2013, 07:26 PM	#3529
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2844064	In one of the biggest must win games of the season, Waino, our stopper, has been shit. We really need to win these next 2. If we come out of this trip with a 1/2 game lead, which we would IIRC with 2 straight wins, would be a coup. Wainwright hasn't had good stuff for a while either.
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07-31-2013, 07:28 PM	#3530
kcpasco MVP Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $7743463	So glad MM has kept Kozma around for defense
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07-31-2013, 07:29 PM	#3531
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2844064	And on McCutchens Sac fly, what the hell is Jay doing double pumping? Just come up throwing and let shit work out.
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07-31-2013, 07:30 PM	#3532
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8019572	Waino, like Yadi, has been overused by Matheny. He seems to favor the horses that blow themselves out over the first few poles of the Kentucky Derby. He's weak willed and unwilling to assert himself, and it is costing the team. I know Waino is your guy, but he doesn't need to be throwing 115 pitches every start. Look at what has happened to Verlander this year. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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07-31-2013, 07:32 PM	#3533
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2844064	Waino isn't even close tonight. Trying to gut it out.
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07-31-2013, 07:36 PM	#3536
kcpasco MVP Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $7743463	Sadly I doubt we score again this game. I hope im dead wrong but this team doesnt play well after 6. Innings.
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07-31-2013, 07:37 PM	#3537
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2844064	And swings at ball 4!!!
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07-31-2013, 07:38 PM	#3539
Marco Polo Veteran Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 41°59.4′N 87°39.6'W Casino cash: $5848908	Holliday actually showed up tonight.
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07-31-2013, 07:38 PM	#3540
kcpasco MVP Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $7743463	Pirates are playing like. This is game 7 of the world series. The Cards are just going through the motions.
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