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Old 12-16-2017, 03:56 PM  
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Mueller obtains "tens of thousands” of Trump transition emails

Scoop: Mueller obtains "tens of thousands” of Trump transition emails

There's no stopping the Mueller Train!





Special Counsel Robert Mueller has obtained “many tens of thousands" of Trump transition emails, including emails of Jared Kushner, transition team sources tell Axios.
  • Trump officials discovered Mueller had the emails when his prosecutors used them as the basis for questions to witnesses, the sources said.
  • The emails include 12 accounts, one of which contains about 7,000 emails, the sources said.
  • The accounts include the team's political leadership and the foreign-policy team, the sources said.

Why it matters: The transition emails are said to include sensitive exchanges on matters that include potential appointments, gossip about the views of particular senators involved in the confirmation process, speculation about vulnerabilities of Trump nominees, strategizing about press statements, and policy planning on everything from war to taxes.
  • “Mueller is using the emails to confirm things, and get new leads," a transition source told me.
How it happened: The sources say Mueller obtained the emails from the General Services Administration, the government agency that hosted the transition email system, which had addresses ending in “ptt.gov," for Presidential Transition Team.

Axios has asked the Special Counsel's Office for comment and will update this story with the response.
  • The transition sources said they were surprised about the emails because they have been in touch with Mueller's team and have cooperated.
  • “They ask us to waive NDAs [nondisclosure agreements] and things like that," a second source said. “We have never said 'no' to anything."
The twist: The sources say that transition officials assumed that Mueller would come calling, and had sifted through the emails and separated the ones they considered privileged. But the sources said that was for naught, since Mueller has the complete cache from the dozen accounts.

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Old 12-17-2017, 10:58 AM   #46
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Hey guys, whatever happened about that secret informant of Uranium One? That's as ancient a claim now as nothingburger.

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Old 12-17-2017, 10:59 AM   #47
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Special Counsel Robert Mueller is accused of acting in complete disregard for the law and must be removed. And so, too, must his entire team.

There is devastating new evidence to suggest that Mueller and his staff of lawyers improperly, if not illegally, obtained tens of thousands of private documents belonging to President-elect Trump's Presidential Transition Team (PTT). The material includes emails, laptops and cell phones used by 13 PTT members.

Critically, a "significant volume of privileged material" was taken by Mueller, according to the Trump transition lawyer, and then used by the special counsel team in its investigation. Mueller's staff apparently admits this egregious violation, which the law strictly forbids.

Under the law, the only remedy is Mueller's dismissal from the case.

The Records Are Private

The Presidential Transition Act states that all records of transition operations are private and confidential.

On November 16, 2016, roughly ten days after Trump was elected president, the Chief Records Officer of the U.S. Government sent a letter to all federal agencies reminding them that "the materials that PTT members create or receive are not Federal or Presidential records, but are considered private materials."

Yet Mueller seems to have ignored the law. Without a warrant or subpoena, his team of lawyers brazenly demanded these private records from the General Services Administration (GSA) which held custody of the materials. The GSA does this as a service to all incoming presidents out of courtesy, but it neither owns the documents nor is authorized to release them to anyone under any circumstances because they are deemed entirely private.

If true, Mueller's conduct is not only unethical and improper, it constitutes lawlessness. On this basis, he must be removed and replaced.

Counsel for the Trump Transition Team has sent a letter to Congress alleging the Fourth Amendment was violated in "failing to obtain a warrant for the search or seizure of private property in which the owner has a reasonable expectation of privacy (Coolidge v. New Hampshire, 403 U.S. 443, 489)."

Mueller might contest the claim of an unlawful seizure because the GSA willingly handed over the documents, but this disregards the fact that the GSA broke the law and Mueller surely knew it when he pressured the agency to do so.

Privileged Material

The most serious charge against Mueller is that he obtained, reviewed and used material that is privileged.

For months, Mueller allegedly failed to disclose to the transition team that he acquired these privileged documents. Under the law, he and his lawyers are not entitled to possess or read any of them. Even worse, the transition team says it warned the special counsel six months ago that it had no right to access the records without gaining permission from the PTT.

Courts have clearly stated what prosecutors are supposed to do under these circumstances: "An attorney who receives privileged documents has an ethical duty to cease review of the documents, notify the privilege holder, and return the documents." (U.S. v. Taylor 764 Fed Sup 2nd, 230, 235)

Did Mueller do this? Apparently not. He never notified PTT when his staff of lawyers encountered the privileged documents and he compounded his violation of the law by possessing and accessing them for months.

Only the owner of such materials can waive the privileged that protects them. Since the GSA does not, under the law, own the records, only the transition team can make such a waiver. It did not.

Hence, if any illegally obtained documents have been used in the Trump-Russia case, then the results are tainted and invalid. This is a well-established principle of law.

Mueller Must Be Removed

The use by Mueller of even one privileged document can, and must, result in his disqualification from the case.

The case of Finn v. Schiller, 72 F.3rd 1182, 1189 spells out the required remedy for this violation of the law: "Courts have frequently used their supervisory authority to disqualify prosecutors for obtaining materials protected by the attorney-client privilege."

Statutory law also demands Mueller's removal. Pursuant to 5 C.F.R. 2635.501, government employees, including prosecutors, are directed to "take appropriate steps to avoid an appearance of loss of impartiality in the performance of his or her official duties."

The lawyer for the Trump transition team states that the special counsel's office admitted in a telephone conversation on Friday that it failed to use an "ethical wall" or "taint team" to segregate any privileged records. This is often done to keep them isolated from lawyers and investigators involved in the case.

Yet, Mueller did not adopt such precautionary measures. Instead, he apparently allowed his team to utilize the documents while questioning witnesses in the Trump-Russia case.

If true, Mueller's conduct is not only unethical and improper, it constitutes lawlessness. On this basis, he must be removed and replaced.

Given the insular nature of the special counsel operation, it is reasonable to conclude that all the lawyers and investigators likely accessed the privileged documents. Therefore, not just Mueller, but his entire team must be dismissed. This would include Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein who oversees the case.

Either Congress should take aggressive action or the Presidential Transition Team (now Trump for America, Inc.) must petition a federal judge to order their removal.

The integrity of the special counsel probe has been deeply compromised by numerous allegations of corrupt acts. In its current composition, it seems beyond repair.
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Old 12-17-2017, 11:00 AM   #48
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I liked the 400,000 emails Muller got from Manafort. Or the 20 electronic devices and the 16 search warrants.

I'll bet there is nothing there.
While none of us know for sure what he did or didn't do beyond what is alleged in the indictments, Manafort - from everything I've read - had a pretty long history of working with some shady characters and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he did some or all of the things he supposedly did.

Not sure what his indictments have to do with Trump but getting Manafort isn't a bad thing (again, if the claims in the indictments are true).
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Old 12-17-2017, 11:02 AM   #49
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Hey guys, whatever happened about that secret informant of Uranium One? That's as ancient a claim now as nothingburger.

Nostrataco said before thanksgiving. Has thanksgiving happened on the west coast yet, because I know there is a time lag.
It will be investigated. If there is something there it will be pursued. If not, it won't.
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While none of us know for sure what he did or didn't do beyond what is alleged in the indictments, Manafort - from everything I've read - had a pretty long history of working with some shady characters and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he did some or all of the things he supposedly did.

Not sure what his indictments have to do with Trump but getting Manafort isn't a bad thing (again, if the claims in the indictments are true).
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Old 12-17-2017, 11:04 AM   #51
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It will be investigated. If there is something there it will be pursued. If not, it won't.
Good that's over, and honestly if there was something there I would want all involved prosecuted.
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Old 12-17-2017, 11:08 AM   #52
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Patty is not a Russian troll at all. He's just obtuse. He doesn't want to see the meltdown of the GOP anymore than you would want to see the Dems meltdown. Unfortunately for him...
He's a paid troll. Outside of the evidence his posts mirror that of known paid trolls, his "break" also coincides with what is the know time period for reactivation of paid Russian trolls for the then upcoming 2016 election.

His history here and posts scream paid Russian troll.
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He's a paid troll. Outside of the evidence his posts mirror that of known paid trolls, his "break" also coincides with what is the know time period for reactivation of paid Russian trolls for the then upcoming 2016 election.

His history here and posts scream paid Russian troll.
He's been here way too long and his gargling of Cheney jizz is not something the Russians would want. Cheney was no friend of Russia
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You're a good guy, but you probably aren't great at chess. There's a good strategic reason nothing about Trump has been mentioned.
That's an opinion, not a fact. You could be right. You could be wrong. I'm open to either possibility and anyone who breaks the law should be held accountable. Period.

The bigger issue with Manafort is that he has been around politics and knows how the game is played and has the resources that Flynn and Acidoupolous don't. So even though my opinion is that he's probably guilty of a lot of what is alleged, he probably won't be convicted of anything that requires him to do time.

But we'll all know soon enough...

And while my knowledge of chess has nothing to do with the veracity of any of this, I'm happy to challenge you to a game...
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Good that's over, and honestly if there was something there I would want all involved prosecuted.
We agree on this.

That's why I've never bought into the anti-Trump forces that believe his behavior will lead to fascism and dictatorships. Our Constitution is such an elegant document and so prescient in how it works that there was never any chance for Trump to do anything remotely close to what people feared. It just can't happen - especially when he lacks any real constituency in DC.
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He's been here way too long and his gargling of Cheney jizz is not something the Russians would want. Cheney was no friend of Russia
That's the thing. Outed paid trolls have had accounts of long standing or stole accounts of long standing posters

Another site I frequent that exposed some Russian trolls found those trolls using decade plus old accounts.

Putin certainly played the long game here, even if he never predicated a trump. But his goal was never a trump, anyway, trump just helps Putin's goals.

No, I have to disagree. I see too much evidence.
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“When we have obtained emails in the course of our ongoing criminal investigation, we have secured either the account owner’s consent or appropriate criminal process.
Let that sink in.

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