Don Banks from SI on Chiefs Coaching/GM

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• Kansas City -- The general consensus among the league sources I interviewed was that the high level of fan unrest in Kansas City would probably lead Chiefs owner Clark Hunt to make the personally difficult decision to replace general manager Scott Pioli, and not just head coach Romeo Crennel. Hunt and Pioli remain close, so there's a chance Pioli returns, especially if there's a head coach hire that Pioli can sell to Hunt as the potential difference maker. Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz is a name long linked to Pioli dating from their days together in Cleveland, and he always surfaces as a possible Pioli hire.

If Pioli isn't retained, he won't be out of work for long, because his personnel judgments are still widely respected throughout the league -- at least outside of Kansas City. It was thought the Chiefs might pursue Bill Polian as a GM candidate, but sources say there has not been contact between the two, even though Polian was thought to be willing to listen.

Other potential GM hires by the Chiefs are plentiful, but they include San Francisco's Gamble, Green Bay director of football operations John Dorsey and Indianapolis vice president of football operations Tom Telesco.

Dorsey is known for having a good eye for talent, and his college scouting background gives him a strong draft pedigree. He has worked under both Ted Thompson and Ron Wolf in Green Bay, two of the most respected personnel evaluators in recent NFL history, and sources say he's ready and willing to pursue all GM opportunities after turning down offers to interview last year.

On the coaching side, Arians, who might win the NFL Coach of the Year award for the job he did as the Colts' interim, is a name that has surfaced in Kansas City. His track record for quarterback coaching is respected, and his résumé includes successful stints with the likes of Peyton Manning in Indy, Ben Roethlisberger in Pittsburgh and this year's impressive rookie season by the Colts' Andrew Luck.

On the defensive side of the ball, Cincinnati defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer has again done a superb job with the talent he has on hand, and his work has as much to do with the Bengals returning to the playoffs as any other factor. He has been long considered a quality head coaching candidate, and his son, Adam Zimmer, is currently a defensive assistant on Crennel's staff.

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[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

His drafts weren't bad?

4 years and not a single impact player. Houston might prove to be one, but even then - one impact player in 4 drafts?

That's a huge reason why this team has gone full circle back to the 2-14 hell Pioli inherited.

If you replace Matt Cassel with Tom Brady... that instantly makes your offense legit, which then gives your defense plenty of time to rest. Winning and losing is contagious. If Tom Brady was leading this offense to wins, I guarendamntee you that the draft picks that Pioli brought here would be playing remarkably better. (I'm not justifying Pioli as good)

Thats why the NFL is a team game. When the person next to you is doing their job, it's a lot easier to do yours.

Unfortantly the QB is the most important position on a team. He is the leader next to the Head Coach, and if he sucks absolute ass, then you gotta figure nobody cares.

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by notorious

If Pioli is retained, hires a new coach, and drafts Geno Smith, he will get sucked off by 95% of the fans.

Talk is tough now, but that shit will go out of the window in an instant.

Pioli is dead to me now. He has become the dictator of this organization, so every mistake is his. I guess that's what happens when the owner's only job is to cash checks.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by notorious

If Pioli is retained, hires a new coach, and drafts Geno Smith, he will get sucked off by 95% of the fans.

Talk is tough now, but that shit will go out of the window in an instant.

The rubbermaid tubs are stacked up outside his office, its coytins for da Don.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by BossChief

IMO Pioli would have been a success in KC if he hadnt been a complete reerun regarding the quarterback position. I don't think his drafts were bad (outside of his 09 class, which was ****ing terrible) and I don't think his free agent classes were that bad, either.

I think firing Haley was a HUGE mistake and doubling and tripling down on Cassel is what is gonna get his ass fired.

Deservedly so.

A GMs job is three major parts:

Hire a good head coach
Draft the right quarterback
Hit a lot of singles and doubles in the draft and a homerun at least once every other draft.

agreed ... other than the reerun Haley fluffing shit.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Molitoth

If you replace Matt Cassel with Tom Brady... that instantly makes your offense legit, which then gives your defense plenty of time to rest. Winning and losing is contagious. If Tom Brady was leading this offense to wins, I guarendamntee you that the draft picks that Pioli brought here would be playing remarkably better. (I'm not justifying Pioli as good)

Thats why the NFL is a team game. When the person next to you is doing their job, it's a lot easier to do yours.

Unfortantly the QB is the most important position on a team. He is the leader next to the Head Coach, and if he sucks absolute ass, then you gotta figure nobody cares.

I don't disagree one bit.

I said for years regarding Manning and the Colts that not only was the offense built around Peyton, but so was the defense.

That defense thrived when the Colts had the lead, but if they were down...? They were awful. It was built with Peyton in mind.

Peyton would probably make us think Baldwin, Moeaki and McCluster were great picks as well. Or at least solid picks.

It's hard for me to judge a lot of our young offensive players because of the QB'ing we've had...not that I'd lose any sleep over Baldwin or McCluster getting the boot this offseason.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by whoman69

Pioli is dead to me now. He has become the dictator of this organization, so every mistake is his. I guess that's what happens when the owner's only job is to cash checks.

Sadly, only a few people will actually feel the same way if my scenario happens.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

I agree with you 100% about the Colts, however, I still think Arians has done a great job considering the circumstances.

Frazier has also done a good job, too.

A lot of folks like to credit Arians, who is a good OC for sure. But Chuck Pagano orchestrated the Colts' emergence. Pagano drew up the plan for them and was the HC during OTA all the way through pre season.

Arians did a good job executing Pagano's marching orders during the season, but it wasn't his plan.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Laz

agreed ... other than the reerun Haley fluffing shit.

Without Cassel, we might never have seen the outbursts we saw from Haley. You can't separate the two.

Cassel is the original sin.

[crossbow]

Originally Posted by BossChief

IMO Pioli would have been a success in KC if he hadnt been a complete reerun regarding the quarterback position. I don't think his drafts were bad (outside of his 09 class, which was ****ing terrible) and I don't think his free agent classes were that bad, either.

I think firing Haley was a HUGE mistake and doubling and tripling down on Cassel is what is gonna get his ass fired.

Deservedly so.

A GMs job is three major parts:

Hire a good head coach
Draft the right quarterback
Hit a lot of singles and doubles in the draft and a homerun at least once every other draft.

Yep Yep, Pride comes before a fall and his ego killed him. In 2009 he wouldn't listen to Herm's scouts and so his draft was a disaster. He insisted on jamming Cassell down the evryone's throat - ego again over logic. We have all seen this in our private lives. A high level manager lacks the objectivity to make good decisions because their ego gets in the way.

Also, I realy doubt the rest of the NFL is eagerly salivating at the prospect of hiring Scot Pioli after his departure from KC. He destroyed one of the best franchises in the NFL.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by TEX

That's because it's not a sure thing.

Don Banks just hasn't talked to anybody IN Kansas City. He even says so...

READ the article.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

A lot of folks like to credit Arians, who is a good OC for sure. But Chuck Pagano orchestrated the Colts' emergence. Pagano drew up the plan for them and was the HC during OTA all the way through pre season.

Arians did a good job executing Pagano's marching orders during the season, but it wasn't his plan.

Lol
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[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

So without the fan unrest, Clark would be ok with what he's seeing on the field? I understand that the 2 go hand in hand to a large extent, but I hope Clark's focus moving forward is winning a championship and not just getting the fans back in Arrowhead.

As we've been discussing in another thread, national writers are often lazy. A quick Wikipedia search shows that Pioli has won multiple "Executive of the Year" awards, and thus he must be good at his job. Seems like a sensible conclusion.

However, anyone who has paid a modicum of attention to what the man has accomplished away from the testicles of Hoodie and Brady would know what a fraud he is.

Additionally, we're fighting the national perception of fly-over country. We're too nice to boo a piece of shit NYer, and we're definitely too nice (and naive) to fire a genious like Pioli.

Well, **** 'em all. Pack your shit, Scott, and I hope that TSA boos your ass when the agent alerts group 5 that it's time to board.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Without Cassel, we might never have seen the outbursts we saw from Haley. You can't separate the two.

Cassel is the original sin.

how quickly forget all the reerun shit he did

he didn't move McCluster to running back because of Cassel
he didn't slam McCluster up the middle like a dam power back because of Cassel
he didn't decide whether to go for it on 4th down before our 3rd down play because of cassel
he didn't throw his challenge flag on reeruned play that gained us jack shit because of cassel
he didn't refuse to have an OC because of Cassel


Cassel was a major fail but Haley was an immature asshat


Haley better get a new job in arizona or something because he might not have a job next year in pittsburgh. imo.


people are fluffing Haley because it another way to lash out at Pioli

[notorious]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Without Cassel, we might never have seen the outbursts we saw from Haley. You can't separate the two.

Cassel is the original sin.

Bingo

[notorious]

Originally Posted by crossbow

. He destroyed one of the best franchises in the NFL.