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Old 04-25-2001, 08:00 AM  
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Let's see last year all we could talk about was Corey Dillon...

I'd say with all the wheelings and dealings and ****ing with the Rams...getting Green, Holmes, Horne, losing Grbac, McGlockton, Hasty...

This off season gave us much more to argue about...and not many rumors...I am psyched...I'm not ready for the Summer to be over, but I'm ready for some football....:cool:
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Old 04-26-2001, 09:58 AM   #46
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[quote] But typical of you and other fans, once a guy is gone, you rip him to shread and say it is the best thing for the Chiefs.[/quote]

I questioned whether Grbac was a fit with the new Offense [u]before[/u] he left.

Your statement above is offensive and false.

Unfortunately, that is typical of your posts.

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Old 04-26-2001, 10:01 AM   #47
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Peckerfan, you're saying it was a bad idea to spend a first round draft pick on our new quarterback, right?

Let's see, turn back the clock about, oh, let's say 9 years. The Atlanta Falcons trade some QB they drafted in the second round the year before, some guy who'd thrown all of 5 passes, completed zilch, and thrown 2 interceptions.

They trade him, this completely unproven commodity, to Green Bay for a first round pick

Good thing you're not the GM, because by your logic Green Bay would never have gotten Brett Favre.

And you're here castigating us for trading a first round pick for an experienced NFL quarterback, the best kickoff returner in the league and rookie RB Derrick Blaylock...

Do you think before you post or do you have a program that prints this crap up for you?
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Old 04-26-2001, 10:02 AM   #48
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One other thing then I will wait until Titus points out all of my errors. You guys make way to much of this "super bowl head coach" thing. If Carl so desperately needed a super bowl head coach, why not Shula or Ditka?? Shula is the same age and wouldnt have cost the Chiefs anything. Ditka has recent experience and the fans would have loved it. He would have hired Vermeil regardless of super bowl experience. The fact are Vermeil is Carls friend and has coaching experience. He will support Carl regardless of how f ucked up the organization is.
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Old 04-26-2001, 10:06 AM   #49
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I don’t know that Vermeil wanted Grbac. I [u]know[/u] that he wanted Green.

Green is a much better fit with the Saunders Offense. Quick read, quick release.

We got Green. We got him for a very good price, compared to the “market value” set by the Rams.

I wanted Beuerlein in FA and Weinke and Jordan in the draft, but Carl made the Green/Horne/Blaylock “trade.” I’ll see how that pans out. I like to have some facts before I criticize…

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Old 04-26-2001, 10:09 AM   #50
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Ken, dont go run and hide on my account. You made the stupid post, now either stand behind it or retract it. It's really quite simple.

Several others have taken you to task on your statements, maybe you care to revize your critcisms?
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Old 04-26-2001, 10:10 AM   #51
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Overzealous hyperbole, thy name is Packfan...

[quote]He would have hired Vermeil regardless of super bowl experience. [/quote]

A pointless and meaningless statement.

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Old 04-26-2001, 10:12 AM   #52
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Gaz,

Have titus pull records of you quesitoning Grbac's ability to function in the new, quick hitting, high powered attack.

Kyle,

Big difference. For starters, the pick trade was one late in the first round (the packers had two first round picks that year). Also, Favre was 22 as the time. You talk about how Green has expereince. I agree. When he has played, his team hasnt won. Thats why he is on his third team in four years. The Packers were in a rebuilding mode when they traded for Favre. They still had Don Majkowski and planned on developing Favre. But Majkowski got hurt in game three and the rest is history.

One other thing. it obvious who the better GM is here. You would never see Ron Wolf give up a top 12 pick for someone he could get for free. It is clear that Carl doesnt have any patience. He is in a desperate situation with the Chiefs and in the long run, has hurt them by trading away his top two pick for player/coach that probably wont be around four years from now.

Lets face it, Trent Green and Dick Vermeil dont put you over the top. The Chiefs have many, many more holes to fill.
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Old 04-26-2001, 10:13 AM   #53
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We make too much of that "super bowl coach thing"? Yeah, and you make too much of Wolf and that "super bowl GM thing", right?
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Old 04-26-2001, 10:16 AM   #54
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Gaz,

How will this new quick hitting offense improve the passing game from last year?? If anything worked for the Cheifs last year, it was their passing game.

Grbac is the guy they wanted. I seriously doubt that there were any high fives when Grbac cowardly departed and attention was turned to trading for Trent Green. Grbac pulled a fast one on the Chiefs and forced them to give up the 12th pick in the draft for Trent Green. I hardly think the Chiefs are happy about that.

Do you?
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Old 04-26-2001, 10:16 AM   #55
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Lets face it, Trent Green and Dick Vermeil dont put you over the top. The Chiefs have many, many more holes to fill.
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Using that logic, seems GB has bigger holes to fill than KC, now that your hero has skipped town. Didn't take long for Ronnie to realize he was going NOWHERE without his "super bowl coach thing".
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Old 04-26-2001, 10:18 AM   #56
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Ron Wolf WAS a genius, I must admit that. He was able to do the one thing that Ken says is impossible.

Win with FA rejects - Desmond Howard took GB to the bowl and then won the SB for GB.

Yep, that Ron Wolf is a genius alright.
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Old 04-26-2001, 10:18 AM   #57
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I agree that getting Green may not have been the best choice (I've been against the deal from the start), but to give up one pick for 3 players and a pick isn't a terrible deal. I was actually happy about it.

For you to say that Green either: a.) won't win any playoff games; or b.) would've been available soon, is just not correct. You cannot predict the future and what would've happened if Warner went down and Green stepped in and performed? He would not have been available. Also, to post that QBs like Green are available every year just isn't true. Who else was available this year? Johnson (another journeyman), Dilfer (enough said), Flutie (not the right choice for this offense), Leaf (yeah, right) and Aikman (who wisely retired). Who was available who could step right in? No one. While I didn't like giving the #12, I see why the Chiefs wanted him. Besides, how good have the Chiefs been developing QBs? Not very.

And no draft pick is a sure thing. One can have a known factor or a potential bust. The Chiefs choose the known factor, and I will wait to pass judgement.

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Old 04-26-2001, 10:18 AM   #58
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[quote] Gaz,

Have titus pull records of you quesitoning Grbac's ability to function in the new, quick hitting, high powered attack.[/quote]

I must say that I really do not like the implication in that statement.

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Old 04-26-2001, 10:22 AM   #59
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Coryt,

Just because a guy has coached a super bowl team doesnt mean he becomes a saviour when he moves to his next job. Ron Wolf rebuilt the Packers. It takes talent to win first and foremost. He provide the talent.
NOBODY could have won a super bowl with the talent Carl has provided in the last decade. Nobody.

I think the fact that Vermeil is 67 years old and has been burned out is more important that the fact that he recently coached a super bowl team. The Chiefs dont have near the talent the Rams had.

(on a side note, could the Chiefs signing of Vermeil been any better for the Rams?? When Vermeil arrived, the Chiefs became the only team interested in Trent Green and dumb enough to give them a 1st round pick. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer).
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Old 04-26-2001, 10:26 AM   #60
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The point is not to improve the passing game. The point is to achieve an attacking Offense that does not rely on the play action fake. The Plan, as stated many times by Saunders, is to attack both on the ground and in the air. Lots of motion, a balanced attack, similar to the Chargers with Winslow.

Grbac does not fit that Offense. His Defensive read is slow and his judgment is questionable. Green does fit that Offense. Grbac is a good fit with the Ravens, Green is a good fit with Saunders new Offense.

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