The People vs OJ Simpson: American Crime Story

[KChiefs1]

Just watched the first episode. I think it's going to be very interesting.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, everyone thought he was framed by Furman and the LA PD, which was quite corrupt at the time.

Rodney King, rumors of massive corruption which were later detailed in the Rampart scandal, etc.

It seemed like no one, regardless of race or color, trusted the LAPD at the time.

There was some speculation that the verdict was payback for the Rodney King trial but I don't think that was ever confirmed by the jurors.

Bill Simmons wrote an excellent article about the OJ trial 10 years after the verdict. His stance was that the LAPD framed a guilty man and that the black community was fine with him getting off because they'd felt ****ed over by the justice system for so long.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Bill Simmons wrote an excellent article about the OJ trial 10 years after the verdict. His stance was that the LAPD framed a guilty man and that the black community was fine with him getting off because they'd felt ****ed over by the justice system for so long.

That makes sense.

What's crazy, IMO, if that it wasn't for the cut on his finger, I doubt that Goldman's family would have won the civil suit because the prosecution really failed at making a case against OJ.

The cut was the most suspicious part of the murder. Without it, I think it would be impossible to connect OJ to the murders.

[O.city]

So you guys don't think he did it?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by O.city

So you guys don't think he did it?

Oh, I think he did it.

The people I was around on the Uni lot at the time felt he was not guilty.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That makes sense.

What's crazy, IMO, if that it wasn't for the cut on his finger, I doubt that Goldman's family would have won the civil suit because the prosecution really failed at making a case against OJ.

The cut was the most suspicious part of the murder. Without it, I think it would be impossible to connect OJ to the murders.

Well, the cut gives you the blood in his Bronco, and I believe that he originally said that he cut it in Chicago, IIRC.

Plus, they had DNA on his socks, on his glove, in his car, and carpet fibers from his Bronco at the scene. One of his gloves was at the scene.

It was literally as open and shut as you could get, but because DNA was such a novel technology and the prosecution didn't present it well, the jury supposedly didn't buy it.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Well, the cut gives you the blood in his Bronco, and I believe that he originally said that he cut it in Chicago, IIRC.

Plus, they had DNA on his socks, on his glove, in his car, and carpet fibers from his Bronco at the scene. One of his gloves was at the scene.

It was literally as open and shut as you could get, but because DNA was such a novel technology and the prosecution didn't present it well, the jury supposedly didn't buy it.

Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot all about the PCR DNA, which OJ's defense said was planted.

Also, I've done the Rockingham to Bundy drive, back when the house existed - it was sold and demolished in the 90's. I have to say that doing it 10 minutes, which is what was alleged, was just outside of impossible.

He must have been speeding at an extremely high rate of speed and he's lucky he didn't kill anyone because that area, at the time, was very pedestrian heavy.

OJ may be the luckiest guy on Earth because there were so many reasons why he should have been convicted, yet the jury acquitted in near record time.

Crazy.

[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by O.city

So you guys don't think he did it?

I do but the influence from the Rodney King situation in addition to everyone thinking the LAPD was corrupt made it obvious that the majority of the black jurists would vote for acquittal.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

I can't wrap my head around if he cut his finger during the murder the glove wasn't cut too. That leads credence to Jason a bit.

Imagine this, Jason kills mom & Ron, freaks out and calls OJ. OJ comes running to the house, stuggles to calm down Jason, and gets cut in the process. Juice tells him to go to his house and get cleaned up. Juice looks around, thinking he got everything that identified Jason and then leaves. This explains OJ's presence at the scene. It explains the black watch cap that doesn't match OJ, but has animal hair on it (Jason was photographed in an identical hat with his dogs). Explains why there was DNA found at OJs. Explains why aside from the cut that OJ had no other physical trauma, despite the fact the ME said that Goldman has lots of wounds indicating a significant struggle took place (bruised hands, torn nails, even severe cuts on his feet from kicking the attacker). If Jason jumped over the back wall that lends to Kato hearing it while the limo driver saw OJ walk in from another direction and go into the house. Jason was also quite a bit smaller, so the gloves probably fit easier.

[Jerm]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Well, the cut gives you the blood in his Bronco, and I believe that he originally said that he cut it in Chicago, IIRC.

Plus, they had DNA on his socks, on his glove, in his car, and carpet fibers from his Bronco at the scene. One of his gloves was at the scene.

It was literally as open and shut as you could get, but because DNA was such a novel technology and the prosecution didn't present it well, the jury supposedly didn't buy it.

Combine all that with the Bronco suicide chase and what he said to his mother during it....what innocent person goes through that?

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Originally Posted by Jerm

Combine all that with the Bronco suicide chase and what he said to his mother during it....what innocent person goes through that?

what did he say to his mother?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

I do but the influence from the Rodney King situation in addition to everyone thinking the LAPD was corrupt made it obvious that the majority of the black jurists would vote for acquittal.

Unfortunately, I've actually had the "pleasure" of serving as a juror on two criminal cases in Los Angeles and countless other days spent on Hill Street as a potential juror. Suffice to say, there are people that want to serve on juries, especially government workers, who receive their entire paychecks while serving and view it as a vacation.

I'm not going to go so far as saying that the jury pool in Los Angeles is "dumb" but suffice to say, both the defense attorneys and prosecution teams look for people that aren't very "bright" and can be swayed by argument.

I sat as an alternate juror on one case in which I was told it wouldn't last more than one day. The defendant was arrested for crack cocaine possession for the third time in three years. His defense was that he picked up a rock on the street and didin't know what he was holding when the LAPD arrested him.



And enough jurors bought his story that it ended in a hung jury, eleven days later.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

I can't wrap my head around if he cut his finger during the murder the glove wasn't cut too. That leads credence to Jason a bit.

Imagine this, Jason kills mom & Ron, freaks out and calls OJ. OJ comes running to the house, stuggles to calm down Jason, and gets cut in the process. Juice tells him to go to his house and get cleaned up. Juice looks around, thinking he got everything that identified Jason and then leaves. This explains OJ's presence at the scene. It explains the black watch cap that doesn't match OJ, but has animal hair on it (Jason was photographed in an identical hat with his dogs). Explains why there was DNA found at OJs. Explains why aside from the cut that OJ had no other physical trauma, despite the fact the ME said that Goldman has lots of wounds indicating a significant struggle took place (bruised hands, torn nails, even severe cuts on his feet from kicking the attacker). If Jason jumped over the back wall that lends to Kato hearing it while the limo driver saw OJ walk in from another direction and go into the house. Jason was also quite a bit smaller, so the gloves probably fit easier.

Did they check the son for trauma?

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Originally Posted by O.city

Did they check the son for trauma?

No, he was never interviewed or investigated in any way, despite a history of violent rage, and a couple of incidents with knives.

[Jerm]

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

what did he say to his mother?

http://www.defrostingcoldcases.com/i...know%E2%80%A6/

Vincent Bugliosi wrote about it...

Or, how about the phone call he made to his mother during this slow-speed chase in which he cried and said “It was all her fault, ma,” trying to place blame on Nicole for everything that had happened. I would want the jury to know what Simpson’s frame of mind was at that time.

Not to mention being found with a disguise, change of clothes, money, etc. with him in the Bronco.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Originally Posted by Jerm

http://www.defrostingcoldcases.com/i...know%E2%80%A6/

Vincent Bugliosi wrote about it...

I'd be interested in how he knew the conversation. There were no phone taps, so they don't have recordings. His mother was also in the hospital, having been taken there after his arrest was announced. OJ did call her there from his home after the chase. His mother always maintained his innocence from what I've read, so I doubt the confession.