Chiefs Who is the greatest "modern era" Chiefs - DT, PH or TG? - Page 3

Kylo Ren · 02-01-2009, 12:14 AM

Since the Chiefs resurgence in 1989, who is the greatest Chief....... Derrick Thomas, Priest Holmes or Tony Gonzalez? Or, someone else?

I'd say Tony G., although Priest Holmes was the funnest to watch and DT has the greatest legend of the three.

raypec85 · 02-01-2009, 07:27 AM

Chief Faithful · 02-01-2009, 07:38 AM

Only three deserve the Hall of Fame: DT, Will Shields, TG.

RippedmyFlesh · 02-01-2009, 07:44 AM

DT
Admit it when DT was playing you were more excited to see the defense than the offense. How good of a player do you have to be to get people to think that way?

tmax63 · 02-01-2009, 07:54 AM

Gotta say DT. He had close to 50 FF although it was before they started keeping the stat. And it was also before every defensive player was consciously trying to strip the ball every play. He was a game-changer.
TG, Will Shields and I would add Willie Roaf are the next three that deserve to go to Canton.

**Buehler445** · 02-01-2009, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If you are talking about the best player relative to his peers, it's easily Gonzalez. If you are talking about the player that made the biggest difference between winning and losing it's Thomas.

This is by far the best answer.

But to be honest, they are (were) both unworldly athletes, we should be proud that they have worn exclusively Chiefs Red to date.

I would like to add to the discussion that people don't think that TG had an effect on the game, please remember that Tony Gonzales pretty much single handedly made Damon "wobble launcher" Huard a viable QB. So much so that he was considered for a starting QB spot. THAT is something. That entire season was garbage balls chucked up in hopes that Gonzo would come down with it. And he did. You could certainly argue that the Chiefs rode LJ and Gonzo to the playoffs. Bowe had almost 1,000 yards and the defense wasn't the worst in the league yet. But take out Gonzo, and how many 3rd downs were completed that year?

It's hard to identify a game changer on offense if it isn't Steve Smith, Larry Fitzgerald, or Chris Johnson. But I'd argue that Gonzo had more of an effect on team wins than some of you guys are giving him credit for. Still not on the same level of game changer as DT, but give the man some credit. He is one BAMF.

And as long as we're talking about long term guys that were great at their position, throw in Sheilds. But same as TG, you can't point to a specific play and say "that's the gamechanger"

But the real answer is "I agree with Hamas"

raypec85 · 02-01-2009, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

Only three deserve the Hall of Fame: DT, Will Shields, TG.

What about Albert Lewis?

theorangelion · 02-01-2009, 08:27 AM

TG against other tight ends, DT was the biggest game changer.

milkman · 02-01-2009, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

This is by far the best answer.

But to be honest, they are (were) both unworldly athletes, we should be proud that they have worn exclusively Chiefs Red to date.

I would like to add to the discussion that people don't think that TG had an effect on the game, please remember that Tony Gonzales pretty much single handedly made Damon "wobble launcher" Huard a viable QB. So much so that he was considered for a starting QB spot. THAT is something. That entire season was garbage balls chucked up in hopes that Gonzo would come down with it. And he did. You could certainly argue that the Chiefs rode LJ and Gonzo to the playoffs. Bowe had almost 1,000 yards and the defense wasn't the worst in the league yet. But take out Gonzo, and how many 3rd downs were completed that year?

It's hard to identify a game changer on offense if it isn't Steve Smith, Larry Fitzgerald, or Chris Johnson. But I'd argue that Gonzo had more of an effect on team wins than some of you guys are giving him credit for. Still not on the same level of game changer as DT, but give the man some credit. He is one BAMF.

And as long as we're talking about long term guys that were great at their position, throw in Sheilds. But same as TG, you can't point to a specific play and say "that's the gamechanger"

But the real answer is "I agree with Hamas"

I don't disagree with anything you are saying.

TG has definitely had an impact on the offense with his play on the field, but when I talk about a difference maker, I'm talking not only what he does, but how his presense affects the game.

Defnses have to account for TG, but for offenses, accounting for DT wasn't enough.

DT's energy and entusiasm permeated throughout the defense.

He brought the swagger back to KC's defense that hadn't been there in years.

TG has an impact on the game with his play.
DT had an impact simply by being on the field.

Luke the Drifter · 02-01-2009, 08:37 AM

Tony Gonzales will make the Hof because of all the records he has broken. Priest Holmes an extraordinary talent the way he waited on his blockers was amazing, sad he had to play with those poor defenses. Derrick Thomas could change a game with one play. Deron Cherry is player I would have to consider over Albert Lewis though I like Albert too. Hey I'm just a homer what can I say.

**Buehler445** · 02-01-2009, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I don't disagree with anything you are saying.

TG has definitely had an impact on the offense with his play on the field, but when I talk about a difference maker, I'm talking not only what he does, but how his presense affects the game.

Defnses have to account for TG, but for offenses, accounting for DT wasn't enough.

DT's energy and entusiasm permeated throughout the defense.

He brought the swagger back to KC's defense that hadn't been there in years.

TG has an impact on the game with his play.
DT had an impact simply by being on the field.

Good thoughts. I see your point. Rep.

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Originally Posted by Luke the Drifter

Tony Gonzales will make the Hof because of all the records he has broken. Priest Holmes an extraordinary talent the way he waited on his blockers was amazing, sad he had to play with those poor defenses. Derrick Thomas could change a game with one play. Deron Cherry is player I would have to consider over Albert Lewis though I like Albert too. Hey I'm just a homer what can I say.

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Time's Yours · 02-01-2009, 09:00 AM

Its WAAAAAY more fun to attend games when you have a good D. There was NOTHING like having season tickets and screaming your lungs out back when DT was playing.

Vermeil's teams with TG/PH were fun to watch on TV. But I wouldn't trade my season ticket holding years with DT for anything. Those were the most fun Sundays I can remember.

DT hands down.

DTLB58 · 02-01-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Priest, as great as he is/was, shouldn't even be in the discussion.

Agreed

DTLB58 · 02-01-2009, 10:00 AM

DT

Just for the simple fact that I think without him, The 90's Chiefs never would have been what they were. Arrowhead stadium never would have been what it was.

I heard broadcasters say still late this season, Kansas City is still one of the toughest places to play in the NFL. Well, we all know that's crap. But without DT it never would have been said in the first place.

If Yankee stadium was the house that Ruth built...You finished the rest

RedThat · 02-01-2009, 10:01 AM

DT no question about it. He was simply amazing.

If you wanna talk about impact player, most valuable player I can definately say DT was both. Whereas Priest and Tony G are that too, but not at the level of DT.

He was the cornerstone of this franchise in the 90's. He was simply a relentless passrusher that change games. DT easily swung moment in his teams favor a lot of times, and elevated the play of the guys around him.

FLACHIEF58HOF · 02-01-2009, 10:25 AM

I agree that the Priest was very exciting however, to be mentioned in the same sentence as TG or DT is just silly. Derrick Thomas was a game changer who stalked opposing QB's and generally made teams plan their offensive schemes around him. Tony Gonzales has done the same for opposing defenses. TG is the best TE in history to this point (records were ment to be broken) , and he will be a first ballot hall of famer.

I think had DT been able to finish his career, he most certainly would have also been in the HOF on his first try. So who is the greatest? I don't know, I'm just happy to have able to watch these 2 Hall of Famers play in Chiefs gear.

In honor of DT I am wearing my $200 #58 jersey that I bought 8 years ago for the first time. R.I.P DT, I will never forget you!

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Luke the Drifter Rookie Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kansas City, Kansas Casino cash: $10004900	Tony Gonzales will make the Hof because of all the records he has broken. Priest Holmes an extraordinary talent the way he waited on his blockers was amazing, sad he had to play with those poor defenses. Derrick Thomas could change a game with one play. Deron Cherry is player I would have to consider over Albert Lewis though I like Albert too. Hey I'm just a homer what can I say.
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Time's Yours Starter Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $7867317	Its WAAAAAY more fun to attend games when you have a good D. There was NOTHING like having season tickets and screaming your lungs out back when DT was playing. Vermeil's teams with TG/PH were fun to watch on TV. But I wouldn't trade my season ticket holding years with DT for anything. Those were the most fun Sundays I can remember. DT hands down.
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RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	DT no question about it. He was simply amazing. If you wanna talk about impact player, most valuable player I can definately say DT was both. Whereas Priest and Tony G are that too, but not at the level of DT. He was the cornerstone of this franchise in the 90's. He was simply a relentless passrusher that change games. DT easily swung moment in his teams favor a lot of times, and elevated the play of the guys around him.
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FLACHIEF58HOF Rookie Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $10004900	I agree that the Priest was very exciting however, to be mentioned in the same sentence as TG or DT is just silly. Derrick Thomas was a game changer who stalked opposing QB's and generally made teams plan their offensive schemes around him. Tony Gonzales has done the same for opposing defenses. TG is the best TE in history to this point (records were ment to be broken) , and he will be a first ballot hall of famer. I think had DT been able to finish his career, he most certainly would have also been in the HOF on his first try. So who is the greatest? I don't know, I'm just happy to have able to watch these 2 Hall of Famers play in Chiefs gear. In honor of DT I am wearing my $200 #58 jersey that I bought 8 years ago for the first time. R.I.P DT, I will never forget you!
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