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Old 04-18-2013, 11:01 PM   Topic Starter
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Albert/Joeckel perspective

How would you feel if the Chiefs had the #2 overall pick and packaged it and Albert for Joeckel? Because that's what the Chiefs are on the brink of doing.

#1 pick = 3000 points
#54 pick = 360 points

difference is 2640 points

#2 pick is worth 2600 points

Chiefs are going to invest 3000 - 360 = 2640 points to replace Albert with Joeckel. It could be a good deal for the Chiefs if 1) Albert is out of the league in two years, 2) Jockel is a HOFer and 3) the alternatives (like Geno) don't have very good careers.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:02 PM   #2
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:05 PM   #3
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The point that no one wants to acknowledge. In 5 years max, Albert WILL be out of the league, and Joeckell will be 26. Joeckell, will also get a 5 year rookie deal this year, that will be cheaper than Alberts deal. Albert, has also shown the propensity to be about Albert, and not about the team. If i was going to pay you 12 million dollars a year, if i wanted you to play water boy, you better get your ass out there and make sure there isnt a thirsty player on the field. Albert isnt that. Albert is about Albert. He didnt want to move to guard, he didnt want to move to right tackle. He wants to be Albert. A lot of people wont deal with that, which is why if you look at what the phins have done this offseason, adding mike wallace for one, they dont care about adding ME ME ME ME ME ME players. So its logical that ALbert would intrigue them.

Is there going to be a drop in production? Probably. But, when you factor in the cost of keeping Albert long term, his age, and his attitude, its not really that big of a loss.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:12 PM   #4
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The point that no one wants to acknowledge. In 5 years max, Albert WILL be out of the league, and Joeckell will be 26. Joeckell, will also get a 5 year rookie deal this year, that will be cheaper than Alberts deal. Albert, has also shown the propensity to be about Albert, and not about the team. If i was going to pay you 12 million dollars a year, if i wanted you to play water boy, you better get your ass out there and make sure there isnt a thirsty player on the field. Albert isnt that. Albert is about Albert. He didnt want to move to guard, he didnt want to move to right tackle. He wants to be Albert. A lot of people wont deal with that, which is why if you look at what the phins have done this offseason, adding mike wallace for one, they dont care about adding ME ME ME ME ME ME players. So its logical that ALbert would intrigue them.

Is there going to be a drop in production? Probably. But, when you factor in the cost of keeping Albert long term, his age, and his attitude, its not really that big of a loss.
Oh good, we give up the equivalent of the #2 overall in the draft and we get "not really that big of a loss".
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:16 PM   #5
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Oh good, we give up the equivalent of the #2 overall in the draft and we get "not really that big of a loss".
I agree with you that I could care less about the age thing.Not that this helps enough, but you also have to factor in who you can get in free agency with the cost savings. It could be the difference of $5M per year.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:17 PM   #6
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Oh good, we give up the equivalent of the #2 overall in the draft and we get "not really that big of a loss".
not necessarily, you arent even factoring the impact that Alex Smith has. Alex Smith, at least for this year, will outplay the 34th pick in the draft. So the value that you gave up, to what you get, will be less. Meaning the Chiefs won.

Dont you think?
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:30 PM   #7
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not necessarily, you arent even factoring the impact that Alex Smith has. Alex Smith, at least for this year, will outplay the 34th pick in the draft. So the value that you gave up, to what you get, will be less. Meaning the Chiefs won.

Dont you think?
Considering I'm already writing off the Alex Smith years, no I don't think he makes any of this smell better. If he doesn't lift his game significantly above where he has played in the past, I hope he busts so we can move on sooner. The closest thing we've had to more than a stop gap at QB in 40 years is Trent Green. You have no idea what that is like. NO IDEA.
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:47 AM   #8
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not necessarily, you arent even factoring the impact that Alex Smith has. Alex Smith, at least for this year, will outplay the 34th pick in the draft. So the value that you gave up, to what you get, will be less. Meaning the Chiefs won.

Dont you think?
Alex Smith sucks dog shit. He's ****ing awful, there is no other explanation.
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Alex Smith sucks dog shit. He's ****ing awful, there is no other explanation.
Yeah, your reply shows who the "fool" is dick eater.....

Alex Smith is an upgrade to any qb you have had since Trent Green. Hes not as good as trent, but hes much better than any other option this offseason, and will be more valuable to the chiefs this year, than the 34th pick. Soooooo Get ****ed sally sensitive.
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Old 04-19-2013, 10:25 AM   #10
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not necessarily, you arent even factoring the impact that Alex Smith has. Alex Smith, at least for this year, will outplay the 34th pick in the draft. So the value that you gave up, to what you get, will be less. Meaning the Chiefs won.

Dont you think?
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Old 04-19-2013, 11:34 AM   #11
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not necessarily, you arent even factoring the impact that Alex Smith has. Alex Smith, at least for this year, will outplay the 34th pick in the draft. So the value that you gave up, to what you get, will be less. Meaning the Chiefs won.

Dont you think?
**** no he wont. Alex will look like cassel here. His only hope is taking the game out of his hand.
Charles will need to go off. Defense will need to look like 49ers.

There is a reason why his stats are similar to cassels, they are both not starting caliber qbs. You should not have to have amazing supporting cast to put up those numbers.

Only thing good about alex is we did not extend him.
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The point that no one wants to acknowledge. In 5 years max, Albert WILL be out of the league, and Joeckell will be 26. Joeckell, will also get a 5 year rookie deal this year, that will be cheaper than Alberts deal. Albert, has also shown the propensity to be about Albert, and not about the team. If i was going to pay you 12 million dollars a year, if i wanted you to play water boy, you better get your ass out there and make sure there isnt a thirsty player on the field. Albert isnt that. Albert is about Albert. He didnt want to move to guard, he didnt want to move to right tackle. He wants to be Albert. A lot of people wont deal with that, which is why if you look at what the phins have done this offseason, adding mike wallace for one, they dont care about adding ME ME ME ME ME ME players. So its logical that ALbert would intrigue them.

Is there going to be a drop in production? Probably. But, when you factor in the cost of keeping Albert long term, his age, and his attitude, its not really that big of a loss.
Get the **** out of here with that shit and go kill yourself with an aids tree.
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Get the **** out of here with that shit and go kill yourself with an aids tree.
way to put some thought into it douchebag. My thought process is exactly along the lines of the chiefs. Its not necessarily my point of view, but it is what is happening. You really should take that dildo out of your ass. You are far too uptight slut bag.
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way to put some thought into it douchebag. My thought process is exactly along the lines of the chiefs.
if you have no thoughts of your own and simply agree with what the chiefs do, that isn't a thought process.

thats a puppet with a hand jammed up your ass moving your lips
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The point that no one wants to acknowledge. In 5 years max, Albert WILL be out of the league, and Joeckell will be 26. Joeckell, will also get a 5 year rookie deal this year, that will be cheaper than Alberts deal. Albert, has also shown the propensity to be about Albert, and not about the team. If i was going to pay you 12 million dollars a year, if i wanted you to play water boy, you better get your ass out there and make sure there isnt a thirsty player on the field. Albert isnt that. Albert is about Albert. He didnt want to move to guard, he didnt want to move to right tackle. He wants to be Albert. A lot of people wont deal with that, which is why if you look at what the phins have done this offseason, adding mike wallace for one, they dont care about adding ME ME ME ME ME ME players. So its logical that ALbert would intrigue them.

Is there going to be a drop in production? Probably. But, when you factor in the cost of keeping Albert long term, his age, and his attitude, its not really that big of a loss.
Albert has to say he is a lt since he was franchised. The dropoff from lt to any other spot on the o-line with the franchise tag is pretty steep. You work out a long term deal with lt money, and Albert, I bet, would play anywhere you want him to play. By franchising him, he has no other choice but to say he is a left tackle and will only play left tackle. It isn't about "me, me, me" necessarily; it is about the nature of the beast with the franchise tag.

Another team tried to franchise a player as a TE rather than a WR so they didn't have to pay him as much. He is listed on the roster as a TE, but lined up as a wide reciever most of the time and wanted to be compensated as such since that is the position he played. Albert is simply doing the same thing.
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