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Attack on Saudi oil field a game-changer in Gulf confrontation

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/15/middl...ntl/index.html

(CNN)The attack on the world's largest oil processing plant early Saturday morning is a dramatic escalation in the confrontation between Iran and Saudi Arabia -- even if the Iranians didn't fire the drones or missiles responsible.
Several projectiles struck the Abiqaiq plant, starting a series of fires that quickly took out nearly half Saudi's oil production -- 5% of the global daily output -- and sparking fears about the security of the world's oil supplies.
It's unclear when Abiqaiq, which is operated by Saudi giant Aramco, will be fully operational again.

Houthi rebels in Yemen claimed the attack, saying that 10 drones had targeted Abiqaiq, as well as the Khurais oilfield. But attacks of this scale and accuracy would represent a sudden and remarkable increase in Houthi capabilities, and neither the United States nor Saudi Arabia is buying the claim.

The United States swiftly discounted the Houthi claim. Late Saturday, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo tweeted: "Iran has now launched an unprecedented attack on the world's energy supply." And he added: "There is no evidence the attacks came from Yemen."

In response Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif accused Pompeo of engaging in deception. He wrote on Twitter: "Having failed at 'max pressure', @SecPompeo's turning to 'max deceit' US & its clients are stuck in Yemen because of illusion that weapon superiority will lead to military victory. Blaming Iran won't end disaster."

But where did this attack originate and who was behind it?

The Houthis have sent dozens of drones and short-range ballistic missiles against Saudi Arabia in the past two years. Many have been intercepted by Saudi air defenses; others have fallen harmlessly. A very few have caused limited damage and casualties.

Houthi drones are based on Iranian models, themselves often developed from North Korean technology. They are mostly short-range, up to 186 miles (300 km). However, a UN experts' panel reported in January on the deployment of longer-range drones "that would allow the Houthi forces to strike targets deep into Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates."

The UN panel said it had information that one had crashed within 18 miles (30 km) of Riyadh.

Even so, the maximum range of this system, dubbed the UAV-X, would be between 740 and 930 miles (1,200 and 1,500 km), depending on wind conditions. The distance from Houthi-held parts of Yemen to Abqaiq is about 800 miles (1,300 km).

A source with knowledge of the incident told CNN National Security Analyst Peter Bergen late Saturday that preliminary indications were the drones/missiles "did not originate from Yemen and likely originated from Iraq." A second source in the Gulf region told CNN that while there was no proof yet, the indications were that the attack originated in southern Iraq.

Pro-Iranian militia are well-entrenched in southern Iraq, and the Quds Force, the Iranian Revolutionary Guards unit in charge of foreign operations, has a presence there. Earlier this year, some regional analysts assessed that a drone attack on a pumping station at Afif in northern Saudi Arabia originated in Iraq. But no hard evidence was produced.

The Iraqi government Sunday issued a statement rejecting reports "about its land being used to attack Saudi oil facilities."

The Houthis themselves have suggested, without providing any evidence, that they had help from inside the kingdom for these latest attacks. Their spokesman Yahya Saree said the operation followed "an accurate intelligence operation and advance monitoring and cooperation of honorable people inside the kingdom."

Analysts take that to mean elements of the restive Shia population in Saudi Arabia's Eastern Province. Abqaiq lies between the predominantly Shia area of Qatif and Ahsa, which has a substantial minority Shia population. But they caution that it's in the Houthis' interests to try to stir internal tensions and it seems far-fetched that local people could have assisted such an attack.

Wherever the attack originated and whoever pulled the trigger, these attacks are a step-change in what has already become a dangerous confrontation, with the sabotage of merchant shipping in the Gulf and the acute deterioration of the situation in Yemen, as well as several aerial attacks on Shia militia camps in Iraq in recent months.

While not confirming it was behind the attacks, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said Israel is prepared to strike at pro-Iranian actors wherever they are considered a threat, including in Iraq.
No previous attack, since the Yemen conflict began four years ago, has interrupted oil supplies. This one has taken 5.7 million barrels a day off the market and demonstrated the vulnerability of the pumping heart of Saudi Arabia's oil industry.

Saudi Arabia has invested heavily in advanced air defense systems. Ayham Kamal at the Eurasia Group says that the "critical problem for the kingdom is structural; most of Saudi Arabia's air defense systems are designed to defend against traditional threats and are ill-equipped to tackle asymmetrical aerial threats such as drones."

That vulnerability is enhanced when so many essential parts of the infrastructure -- "storage, processing, and compressor trains -- are located within a small area," he adds.

The attacks have drawn in the international community, with the US declaring that it is ready to open its Strategic Petroleum Reserve if necessary, and President Donald Trump calling Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.
At present, there is plentiful oil on the market. OPEC and its producing ally Russia have cut production this year to support prices. But Saudi Arabia is normally the organization's "swing producer" with the ability to reduce or increase the flow as required. That ability is crimped for now.

Much depends on the damage reports, and what "work-arounds" might be possible to restore full production and soothe markets' nerves. "The most critical elements of Saudi Arabia's oil infrastructure include several redundancies," Kamal says.

How Saudi Arabia will respond in other ways -- such as redoubling its military campaign against the Houthis in Yemen -- is yet to be seen.
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Old 09-16-2019, 08:10 PM   #391
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There has to be a ****ing great reason to cite someone anonymously. Like we're talking life or death circumstances for the source weighed against the critical nature of what they are saying.

If a reporter isn't willing to divulge their source or the source refuses to be identified then the onus is on the reporter to confirm through parallel sources.

Can't do that? Then you don't have anything to report but a rumor.
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I think Iran wants us to attack them.
I think Saudi Arabia let the Israeli's fly over their territory when the Israeli's bombed the Iranian assets at Balad about 3 weeks ago. Iran is sending a message to the Saudi's which basically says that if the Saudi's help the Israeli's they are making themselves potential retaliation targets.

The ball is now on the Saudi's side court. If they decide to let this go....it blows over. If they decide to re-retaliate against Iran, and Iran re-re-retaliates against bases housing US forces, then the US gets substantially involved. Otherwise US assists the Saudi's passively.
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Did Trump ever tweet anything about him blaming the Saudi's for the attacks on 9/11? Any tweets about his first foreign visit to Saudi Arabia as POTUS to sign a arms deal with them? TRUMP has Saudi ties, once buying a yacht from the uncle of the Saudi journalist who was murdered in Turkey.

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Another culprit could be:

That is was an inside job by Saudi dissidents helping the Houthis. There is some indication of it.

Houthi armed forces spokesman who claimed responsibility for the attack, they had help from men inside the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
"This operation is one of the largest operations carried out by our forces in the depth of Saudi Arabia and came after a accurate intelligence operation and advance monitoring and cooperation of honorable and free men within the Kingdom."

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/0...ith-yemen.html
So these could have been launched far closer to the target from within the Kingdom.

There are plenty enough people in the head-chopping kingdom who hate the Clown Prince. He is extremely brutal as we saw in the Khashogg's brutal murder.

This year, they had 134 executions, in a massive spike in beheadings and crucifixions—one a 16 year old. Some of these were clerics ( they still have religious factions fighting one another in the Medieval Kingdom), human rights activists and dissidents. One 16 year old was tortured with electricity before beheading. His crime— he sent a What's App about a protest.

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Using small drones in swarms coming from different directions with 6 lbs of explosives on a flammable target, is hard for any nation to defend against. Could be the new form of assymetrical warfare. That has got to have our MIC worried. To my knowledge this is difficult to defend against. My understanding is that only Russia has the technology to defend against it but it is expensive.

I would suggest the monarchy of SA sue for peace in Yemen and end that war—pronto. Houthis already saying:

The spokesman continued:

"We promise the Saudi regime that our future operations will expand further and be more painful than ever as long as it continues its aggression and siege.
We affirm that our goals bank is expanding day by day and that there is no solution for the Saudi regime except to stop the aggression and siege on our country."

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/0...ith-yemen.html
This could be similar attacks on more oil facilities and even pipelines, with no way to defend against this. Small drones are cheap warfare. They could take down the whole world economy attacking oil.

Face up to it Saudis—you LOST this war—that YOU started.
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