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Old 10-10-2013, 04:32 PM  
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Obama Buys Debt Ceiling Debacle - Rejects GOP Offer

Obama Rejects G.O.P. Offer of Short-Term Debt Limit Plan

By JACKIE CALMES and ASHLEY PARKER

At a meeting at the White House, President Obama turned down the proposal from Republicans to extend the nation’s borrowing authority for six weeks because it would not also reopen the government.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/11/us...debate.html?hp
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Old 10-16-2013, 01:25 PM   #241
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I have a thread dedicated to why this is wrong. I think had the GOP not made such a stink about Obamacare and tried to force it's delay... the Dems would have implemented their own delay after finding out how unready the system was. The Dems could have saved their asses (Donkey joke!) with very little political fallout and now they have to simply swallow Obamacare whole, as is.
I don't know about that. It is not like they haven't tried to repeal it 100 times and they put up a POTUS candidate who said he was going to repeal it. Everybody knows they don't like it. All they did with this stupid stunt was piss off everybody and make a million people lose their jobs overnight.
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Old 10-16-2013, 01:26 PM   #242
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Usually it's like 4-1 extreme conservatives vs. anything else.
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Old 10-16-2013, 01:27 PM   #243
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Btw does it seem kind of quiet around here? Usually it's like 4-1 extreme conservatives vs. anything else. Where are the usual cast of right-wing ranters and ravers? Are they disgusted with all this or just mollified by the Chiefs winning?
They probably have actual jobs.
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Old 10-16-2013, 01:32 PM   #244
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I don't know about that. It is not like they haven't tried to repeal it 100 times and they put up a POTUS candidate who said he was going to repeal it. Everybody knows they don't like it. All they did with this stupid stunt was piss off everybody and make a million people lose their jobs overnight.
You are missing the point. The Dems already owned Obamacare, that was never in question. This "stunt" reinforced that but really it wasn't necessary. What this stunt DID do was take away the Dems options to delay Obamacare due to the massive technical failures in the system. They are stuck with trying to fix a "live" system. This is going to be a complete disaster unless they can miraculously pull something out of their ass (<-more Donkey jokes!) and salvage the system before the end of the year. Even that may be too late, realistically they may only have until Dec 1st.

I honestly think they could have saved a ton of face by implementing their own delay. Now they can't.
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Old 10-16-2013, 01:34 PM   #245
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Btw does it seem kind of quiet around here? Usually it's like 4-1 extreme conservatives vs. anything else. Where are the usual cast of right-wing ranters and ravers? Are they disgusted with all this or just mollified by the Chiefs winning?

Today was a bad day for the GOP, and it's hard to spin this into anything other than the disaster that it was.

Of course, elections are more than a year away, many Congresscritters (on both sides) are firmly entrenched, so this is more like losing a high profile Monday Night Game than a season-ending loss or anything...
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Old 10-16-2013, 01:35 PM   #246
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They probably have actual jobs.
That never stopped them in the past.
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no, you didn't.

If you aren't bright enough to follow, I'm not going to waste time spoon-feeding you.

In fact, engaging with you at all is a complete waste of time, something I had forgotten. Until now anyway. Enjoy the rest of your bitter-filled day.
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Old 10-16-2013, 01:37 PM   #248
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Today was a bad day for the GOP, and it's hard to spin this into anything other than the disaster that it was.

Of course, elections are more than a year away, many Congresscritters (on both sides) are firmly entrenched, so this is more like losing a high profile Monday Night Game than a season-ending loss or anything...
Yeah, low-info mostly non-political swing voters (the ones who are actually taking notice now and driving the republican poll #s to record lows) have the memory of goldfish. They won't remember any of this in a year. And even if they do they probably won't vote in a non-presidential year.
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You are missing the point. The Dems already owned Obamacare, that was never in question. This "stunt" reinforced that but really it wasn't necessary. What this stunt DID do was take away the Dems options to delay Obamacare due to the massive technical failures in the system. They are stuck with trying to fix a "live" system. This is going to be a complete disaster unless they can miraculously pull something out of their ass (<-more Donkey jokes!) and salvage the system before the end of the year. Even that may be too late, realistically they may only have until Dec 1st.

I honestly think they could have saved a ton of face by implementing their own delay. Now they can't.
You really should change your avatar:
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You really should change your avatar:
Why? Nothing I am saying is "spin" it's analysis and some conjecture on my part. A t no point have I given the GOP an ounce of credit for what will likely benefit them. I have made it clear that they may have STUMBLED onto a situation that is in their favor.

The only spin I have seen lately is from people claiming the Obamacare rollout isn't a COMPLETE AND UTTER FAILURE. It's too early to definitively call Obamacare itself a failure but the rollout certainly has been.
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Old 10-16-2013, 01:46 PM   #251
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If you aren't bright enough to follow, I'm not going to waste time spoon-feeding you.

In fact, engaging with you at all is a complete waste of time, something I had forgotten. Until now anyway. Enjoy the rest of your bitter-filled day.
stop projecting counselor..the majority of your replies are ad homenins.


that's on you...regardless, your superiority act is amusing.
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You are missing the point. The Dems already owned Obamacare, that was never in question. This "stunt" reinforced that but really it wasn't necessary. What this stunt DID do was take away the Dems options to delay Obamacare due to the massive technical failures in the system. They are stuck with trying to fix a "live" system. This is going to be a complete disaster unless they can miraculously pull something out of their ass (<-more Donkey jokes!) and salvage the system before the end of the year. Even that may be too late, realistically they may only have until Dec 1st.

I honestly think they could have saved a ton of face by implementing their own delay. Now they can't.
I don't believe that would have ever happened.


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Robert Pear and colleagues at the New York Times have a piece up today detailing the serious problems with the federal exchange, problems that may get worse, not better. They confirm what we already knew: that the Obama administration refused to delay the implementation of the exchanges, despite the well-known problems, because they were afraid of the political blowback. “Former government officials say the White House, which was calling the shots, feared that any backtracking would further embolden Republican critics who were trying to repeal the health care law.”

As I documented last week, IT and insurance experts have been saying for at least eight months that implementation of the exchanges was going badly, that as early as February officials were warning of a “third world experience.” The Times’ sources are just as blunt. “These are not glitches,” said one insurance executive. “The extent of the problems is pretty enormous. At the end of our [conference calls with the administration], people say, ‘It’s awful, just awful.’”

“We foresee a train wreck,” said another executive in a February interview with the Times. “We don’t have the IT specifications. The level of angst in health plans is growing by leaps and bounds. The political people in the administration do not understand how far behind they are.” Richard Foster, the former chief actuary at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, said last week that “so much testing of the new system was so far behind schedule, I was not confident it would work well.”

Henry Chao, the deputy chief information officer at CMS who made the “third world experience” comment, was told by his superiors that failure to meet the October 1 launch deadline “was not an option,” according to the Times.
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Old 10-16-2013, 02:01 PM   #253
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I don't believe that would have ever happened.
A lot of this is 20/20 hindsight. They "knew" about "possible" problems and glitches. They went forward thinking it wouldn't be so bad. If they had KNOWN it would have been, they would have delayed.

I still believe had the GOP not caused such an issue with the debt ceiling tied to Obamacare delays the Dems would have delayed it themselves after seeing what a mess it is.

I completely admit that it is pure conjecture on my part. We'll never know now.
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Old 10-16-2013, 02:12 PM   #254
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Who signs your checks? GM, IBM, or a taxpayer funded entity?

Actually it's more like 6% which, is matched with another 6% taxpayer money. And since it is mandatory that money is actually paid straight to SDRS. The only reason you claim it as salary is, that 6%, is tax deductible. So in reality you're using my tax dollars to fund a supplemental retirement account, screw other federal taxpayers, all while bitching at the rest of us that we live too long and shouldn't expect a return investment on a contract we've had with the government since we started working 40 years ago.

This the kind of thinking that comes from living in a government supported bubble.
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A lot of this is 20/20 hindsight. They "knew" about "possible" problems and glitches. They went forward thinking it wouldn't be so bad. If they had KNOWN it would have been, they would have delayed.

I still believe had the GOP not caused such an issue with the debt ceiling tied to Obamacare delays the Dems would have delayed it themselves after seeing what a mess it is.

I completely admit that it is pure conjecture on my part. We'll never know now.
They did know and still allowed to go through. From doing some more reading HHS has the legal authority to extend the deadline so that will probably happen which is in effect a delay.
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