Chiefs So Cassel is clearly the wrong guy, but what should Pioli have done? - Page 11

Amnorix · 10-09-2012, 04:36 PM

So with my finely tuned senses and amazing powers of perception, I have detected some small modicum of dislike for Mr. Cassel, and for Mr. Pioli as well. I realize that the hatred of Pioli is for more reasons than going with Cassel, but it seems to me that not only is the Cassel deal a big part of why people hate him, but a part of why the Chiefs are losing so much, which also leads to hating the GM who built the team.

Putting aside the keep Orton option, which I'd agree the Chiefs should have done, what does ChiefsPlanet say Pioli should have done with the QB position? Clearly Sanchez is NOT an answer either, so Pioli made the right move in not spending a high 1st round pick on him. I'm also not aware of any Drew Brees to Miami level screw ups in terms of QB options that were ignored.

So what realistic move should Pioli have made, but didn't, at the QB position that pisses everybody off so much?

Heck, someone on here (GoChiefs) had a link on a post I saw explaining why Pioli should be fired, and the discussion of all the options he had other than Cassel were really pretty pathetic.

jd1020 · 10-09-2012, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

You're right.

Cincy's D carried that team like the Ravens did with Dilfer, that is how bad a rookie who wet to the playoffs in a division featuring the Ravens and Steelers was.

JFC. You realize Matt Cassel would be lucky to win a single division game playing for the Bengals.

You know that right?

Yup. Cinci's D and their soft as schedule. Same shit as in 2010 with the Chiefs. Cassel could have beaten the Browns, kinda like Dalton.

Sorter · 10-09-2012, 06:55 PM

JD, I agree with a lot of your posts and think this is just something we'll ever agree on. You think Dalton equals Cassel and that is fine. I thought that Flacco=Cassel until the AFCC game last year. We're entitled to our own opinions and because I think you're not a troll and I enjoy our own perspectives, I value your input.

I think we both agree that Cincy's D last year was good and had a good part in Cincy's success. For me, I don't think you can stick Cassel on that team and get the same results. Just my own opinion I suppose.

jd1020 · 10-09-2012, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

JD, I agree with a lot of your posts and think this is just something we'll ever agree on. You think Dalton equals Cassel and that is fine. I thought that Flacco=Cassel until the AFCC game last year. We're entitled to our own opinions and because I think you're not a troll and I enjoy our own perspectives, I value your input.

I think we both agree that Cincy's D last year was good and had a good part in Cincy's success. For me, I don't think you can stick Cassel on that team and get the same results. Just my own opinion I suppose.

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

I said Dalton is a game manager, like Cassel, just slightly better.

He, much like Cassel, is not going to be a QB to beat guys like Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Roethlisberger, etc...

Chiefs would be a better team with Dalton but we'd still likely be a 1 and done team in the playoffs like Cincinnati was last year. The Chiefs have the better overall talent on offense but AJ Green is looking awfully good. Not sure I would take Bowe over him.

Bump · 10-09-2012, 06:57 PM

Pioli should have done something! There are tons of things he could have done and he didn't do a single one of them.

Sorter · 10-09-2012, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

I said Dalton is a game manager, like Cassel, just slightly better.

He, much like Cassel, is not going to be a QB to beat guys like Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Roethlisberger, etc...

Ouch about the reading comp.

Additionally, I think that Dalton isn't going to win shoot-outs with the QBs you listed now. I think that he has displayed the acumen to do that in the future. You obviously don't and that is fine.

**The Bad Guy** · 10-09-2012, 07:02 PM

If you have watched football and think that Dalton equals Cassel then you clearly don't understand what the **** you are watching.

Sorter · 10-09-2012, 07:07 PM

I really think it is telling though, JD the # of people who have jumped to you aid in this thread.

Oh wait. That is nobody. Literally, nobody agrees with you on this subject.

jd1020 · 10-09-2012, 07:08 PM

I don't need to feel a fuzzy pillow of other posters agreement.

Dalton is 1-8 against .500+ teams.

Brock · 10-09-2012, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

I don't need to feel a fuzzy pillow of other posters agreement.

Dalton is 1-8 against .500+ teams.

Dalton is a second year player. It's a bit early to put a label on him.

**DeezNutz** · 10-09-2012, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

I don't need to feel a fuzzy pillow of other posters agreement.

Dalton is 1-8 against .500+ teams.

There are a shit ton of posters on this board who defined Flacco after a couple of years, too.

Simple fact is, we don't know what Dalton is at this point. Similarly, if the Chiefs ever grow a testicle and draft a QB early, we won't know what we have in him within three years, either.

jd1020 · 10-09-2012, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Dalton is a second year player. It's a bit early to put a label on him.

Why? People can label Luck and RG3 franchise QBs 5 games into their career but you can't label someone else "that the Chiefs should have drafted" a game manager?

**DeezNutz** · 10-09-2012, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Why? People can label Luck and RG3 franchise QBs 5 games into their career but you can't label someone else "that the Chiefs should have drafted" a game manager?

I don't give a shit if the Chiefs draft Geno mother****ing 1-15o Smith; two years won't define his trajectory for better or worse .

Brock · 10-09-2012, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Why? People can label Luck and RG3 franchise QBs 5 games into their career but you can't label someone else "that the Chiefs should have drafted" a game manager?

If you figure that the first two will improve with experience, which certainly puts them in the franchise QB category, why would you assume Dalton is all he is ever going to be?

jd1020 · 10-09-2012, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

If you figure that the first two will improve with experience, which certainly puts them in the franchise QB category, why would you assume Dalton is all he is ever going to be?

Because he's already getting surpassed by the next batch of Brady's?

**DeezNutz** · 10-09-2012, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Because he's already getting surpassed by the next batch of Brady's?

Perhaps he's the next Brees?

This narrative that QBs are great from the jump is a recent one. But let's put limits on Matt Ryan after year two, too. Oops.

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Amnorix In BB I trust Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, Mass. Casino cash: $10029808	So Cassel is clearly the wrong guy, but what should Pioli have done? So with my finely tuned senses and amazing powers of perception, I have detected some small modicum of dislike for Mr. Cassel, and for Mr. Pioli as well. I realize that the hatred of Pioli is for more reasons than going with Cassel, but it seems to me that not only is the Cassel deal a big part of why people hate him, but a part of why the Chiefs are losing so much, which also leads to hating the GM who built the team. Putting aside the keep Orton option, which I'd agree the Chiefs should have done, what does ChiefsPlanet say Pioli should have done with the QB position? Clearly Sanchez is NOT an answer either, so Pioli made the right move in not spending a high 1st round pick on him. I'm also not aware of any Drew Brees to Miami level screw ups in terms of QB options that were ignored. So what realistic move should Pioli have made, but didn't, at the QB position that pisses everybody off so much? Heck, someone on here (GoChiefs) had a link on a post I saw explaining why Pioli should be fired, and the discussion of all the options he had other than Cassel were really pretty pathetic.
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Sorter Caralho Join Date: Sep 2011 Casino cash: $9631474	JD, I agree with a lot of your posts and think this is just something we'll ever agree on. You think Dalton equals Cassel and that is fine. I thought that Flacco=Cassel until the AFCC game last year. We're entitled to our own opinions and because I think you're not a troll and I enjoy our own perspectives, I value your input. I think we both agree that Cincy's D last year was good and had a good part in Cincy's success. For me, I don't think you can stick Cassel on that team and get the same results. Just my own opinion I suppose.
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