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Old 10-08-2012, 10:09 AM  
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Chiefs took a big step this w/e

Toward California.
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Old 10-08-2012, 10:57 AM   #46
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It's easier to move Scott Pioli's shit out of the office than it is to move the entire team to LA.
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Old 10-08-2012, 10:58 AM   #47
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Yep. OP is either trolling or uninformed.
What's the legal language binding the team to this?

Again, this a franchise which has been exposed in the way it has already broken some provisions of the lease.
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Old 10-08-2012, 10:58 AM   #48
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Yep. OP is either trolling or uninformed.
Not trolling, and I thought they signed the new lease with the reno.
I guess this would be the first time a team broke a lease and paid the penalty?
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Old 10-08-2012, 10:59 AM   #49
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If you follow the NHL, you see (or did before the Cup run) the lower bowl half empty at Kings games often. You'd think, "Are these Dodger fans? Will they show up toward the end of the first period?" But... Nope

Sports in LA are not attendance driven anymore. There is enough money in corporate sponsorships to keep the Kings afloat and hockey is in most places a lot more dependent on the gate receipts.

I think just being in LA is enough money. Especially in a brand new stadium.
That's not even an LA thing anymore. The NFL is a monster. Between the TV money and luxury suites... LA will have no problem supporting a team. The shmuck paying 70 bucks for an upper deck ticket doesn't matter anymore. That's why it was so funny to see the number of people who supported the owners in the lockout. They signed TV contracts worth billions... then went and got more from the players. And that doesn't even include the fact that LA will probably be able to charge more for suites than anyone. The NFL is a ticket to print money at this point.

That said, no way the Chiefs are going to LA. But at the same time nobody is avoiding LA because of fan support. There is a ton of money to be made there.
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Old 10-08-2012, 11:06 AM   #50
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Not trolling, and I thought they signed the new lease with the reno.
I guess this would be the first time a team broke a lease and paid the penalty?
If they decided they wanted to move, they'd break the lease and not think twice about it.

They have nearly limitless resources at their disposal. They'd find a way to get out of even paying the penalty.
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Old 10-08-2012, 11:09 AM   #51
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Lamar died Dec. 2006. What is the Chiefs record since then?
2007 4-12
2008 2-14
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2010 10-6 but Haley on the hot seat?
2011 7-9 Haley fired mid-season

WTF Clark? Pioli?
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Old 10-08-2012, 11:16 AM   #52
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I believe that the lease reads that if the Chiefs default, they are essentially required to reimburse any public funds used for the renovation. Tough pill to swallow.

Also, I keep reading that the Chiefs used maintenance funds inappropriately. That is incorrect. While you can certainly argue that it's not ethical, I believe everything they have spent the maintenance and upkeep funds on is legal and allowable by the lease.
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Old 10-08-2012, 11:20 AM   #53
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I believe that the lease reads that if the Chiefs default, they are essentially required to reimburse any public funds used for the renovation. Tough pill to swallow.

Also, I keep reading that the Chiefs used maintenance funds inappropriately. That is incorrect. While you can certainly argue that it's not ethical, I believe everything they have spent the maintenance and upkeep funds on is legal and allowable by the lease.
I know nothing about the details of the lease, but I'll bet there is enough $ in Cali to pay back those publics funds and any assoc penalties.
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Old 10-08-2012, 11:23 AM   #54
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I believe that the lease reads that if the Chiefs default, they are essentially required to reimburse any public funds used for the renovation. Tough pill to swallow.
The teams wouldn't have any problem proving that the county was in default. They've already tried that tactic before and it works.

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Also, I keep reading that the Chiefs used maintenance funds inappropriately. That is incorrect. While you can certainly argue that it's not ethical, I believe everything they have spent the maintenance and upkeep funds on is legal and allowable by the lease.
If you're talking about me, I never said they have done anything that's illegal. Quite the contrary in fact. Everything they've done is COMPLETELY legal.

They've been manipulating the lease in their favor since before the ink was even dry.

There's no reason to believe they couldn't do so if they decided they wanted to move to LA.
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Old 10-08-2012, 11:25 AM   #55
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I know nothing about the details of the lease, but I'll bet there is enough $ in Cali to pay back those publics funds and any assoc penalties.
I don't really know how it's written in the lease, but the public's contribution was around $1 billion in total. That would be pretty tough for another area to cover on top of their own stadium building expenses. Not saying it can't happen, but it'd be well beyond the scale of anything that's happened in the NFL before.

Regardless, this is a pretty silly conversation given that there has been absolutely no indication that Clark has any desire to do this whatsoever.
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Old 10-08-2012, 11:25 AM   #56
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California is the most broke state in the nation and it's not even close.

People on this thread are acting like it's booming over there.

Clark would be stupid to move this team over there.
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Old 10-08-2012, 11:27 AM   #57
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California is the most broke state in the nation and it's not even close.

People on this thread are acting like it's booming over there.

Clark would be stupid to move this team over there.
Publicly they're broke. Who knows how private capital is doing?
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Publicly they're broke. Who knows how private capital is doing?
And why, exactly, would private funding have anything to do with this? Are you saying Clark would sell the team or something?
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California is the most broke state in the nation and it's not even close.

People on this thread are acting like it's booming over there.

Clark would be stupid to move this team over there.
What if the NFL is behind the move?
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