Chiefs Mike and Mike Talking about Geno going #1 overall - Page 24

Hoover · 03-15-2013, 07:48 AM

It was just a matter of time. Obviously the Chiefs don't need him

but they are helping create a market for a trade.

Apparently Jaws loves the kid.

Lex Luthor · 03-18-2013, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

LOL at the honkies who've been running around saying "Chocolate Penii". If we draft Geno Smith that'd be great but all the gay racism makes me not want him as much.

I couldn't agree more. All of those references to chocolate penii are just creepy.

patteeu · 03-18-2013, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

We get credit for trying.

If Geno Smith ends up as a bust in some shitty place like Buffalo, that doesn't necessarily mean he would've been guaranteed a bust in a place like KC or Arizona.

KC has good playmakers and a coach with a decent offensive philosophy, I think Geno Smith would excel here... but not necessarily on ANY team.

The thing is, nobody ever knows for certain, not even with Andrew Luck.... but once in awhile you have to take a chance.

This team is going to rid of Branden Albert (a proven good LT) and TAKE A CHANCE on an unproven LT out of the draft.
Why do this on a position like LT, and not on the most important position in football?
Bono/Grbac/Huard/Green/Cassel/Alex Smith has been nothing but shitty to mediocre when being brought into this town.
Only Trent Green made the most of it.

The Chiefs are "trying" by taking a chance on the guy they think is the best that they have available to them. And with the 1.1 pick in their pocket, that includes every rookie in the draft. I see no reason for an Alex Smith failure to make Dorsey/Reid look "monumentally stupid" unless Geno or one of the other top rookies blows up immediately.

Fish · 03-18-2013, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

We get credit for trying.

If Geno Smith ends up as a bust in some shitty place like Buffalo, that doesn't necessarily mean he would've been guaranteed a bust in a place like KC or Arizona.

KC has good playmakers and a coach with a decent offensive philosophy, I think Geno Smith would excel here... but not necessarily on ANY team.

The thing is, nobody ever knows for certain, not even with Andrew Luck.... but once in awhile you have to take a chance.

This team is going to rid of Branden Albert (a proven good LT) and TAKE A CHANCE on an unproven LT out of the draft.
Why do this on a position like LT, and not on the most important position in football?
Bono/Grbac/Huard/Green/Cassel/Alex Smith has been nothing but shitty to mediocre when being brought into this town.
Only Trent Green made the most of it.

That's what gets me. It seems to be peachy for positions like offensive tackle in the eyes of the less intelligent fans. But the thought of doing the exact same thing with the QB position is SCARY! Despite the fact that the QB position is infinitely more important, and affects the entire team more than any other position.

It doesn't make any sense.

philfree · 03-18-2013, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

On CP they get credit for trying. To 90% of the fan base they look stupid for not getting the vet who could at least get them 7-9 wins.

It seems that way but I bet that if the Chiefs drafted a franchise QB prospect this fan base would end up backing it in a big way. I think they really just want to back their team. Right now that means backing Alex Smith. And fans who say they'd rather have A. Smith over G. Smith would flip flop in a heartbeat.

Lex Luthor · 03-18-2013, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

We get credit for trying.

The difference is that Reid and Dorsey are actually accountable for their decisions. The've got a helluva lot more skin in the game than any poster on Chiefsplanet.

**The Franchise** · 03-18-2013, 10:42 AM

I've stated it before....but I'm not pissed about Alex Smith. I'm pissed about what we gave up for him. If it was a 4th round pick and a conditional pick next year....it would've been fine. He's an average QB who has games where he looks above average but he's injury prone and he takes a lot of sacks.

If the Alex Smith trade causes us to pass on Geno and take a LT at 1.1 because he needs an all world offensive line to protect him and we didn't want a "QB controversy"....then Reid and Dorsey can go **** themselves.

Molitoth · 03-18-2013, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac

The difference is that Reid and Dorsey are actually accountable for their decisions. The've got a helluva lot more skin in the game than any poster on Chiefsplanet.

Yep. If Alex Smith comes here and sucks ass, they better be accountible much sooner than year ****ing 4 like Polio.

It's NOT hard to assess a situation after 1-2 full years of play.
Either your team is going to rally around your QB, or they aren't. I knew Cassel was not good enough after watching him in year one. 2010 was gameplanning around his weaknesses, and even doing that couldn't get this team a playoff win.

philfree · 03-18-2013, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac

The difference is that Reid and Dorsey are actually accountable for their decisions. The've got a helluva lot more skin in the game than any poster on Chiefsplanet.

Trying is the same as potential. It'll get a coach fired.

patteeu · 03-18-2013, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish

That's what gets me. It seems to be peachy for positions like offensive tackle in the eyes of the less intelligent fans. But the thought of doing the exact same thing with the QB position is SCARY! Despite the fact that the QB position is infinitely more important, and affects the entire team more than any other position.

It doesn't make any sense.

Except it's not the exact same thing. You don't do it at either position unless you think you're getting the better player. If you believe that Luke Joeckel is inferior to Branden Albert in the way that it appears the Chiefs think Geno Smith is inferior to Alex Smith, you do everything you can to come to terms with Branden Albert. If you think Luke Joeckel is as much better than Branden Albert as many CPers think Geno is than Alex Smith, you give Albert a low ball offer to stick around as a RT or swing backup and wish him well as he walks out the door.

**The Franchise** · 03-18-2013, 10:44 AM

I don't care if it's unrealistic or not.....but if we go 8-8 next year....it's a failure.

9-7 is the low mark for next year.

patteeu · 03-18-2013, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

It seems that way but I bet that if the Chiefs drafted a franchise QB prospect this fan base would end up backing it in a big way. I think they really just want to back their team. Right now that means backing Alex Smith. And fans who say they'd rather have A. Smith over G. Smith would flip flop in a heartbeat.

I think most fans make the reasonable assumption that the coach and GM have a better idea of which option is better than they do and they enthusiastically support whichever choice is made until it proves to be the wrong one.

Molitoth · 03-18-2013, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

Except it's not the exact same thing. You don't do it at either position unless you think you're getting the better player. If you believe that Luke Joeckel is inferior to Branden Albert in the way that it appears the Chiefs think Geno Smith is inferior to Alex Smith, you do everything you can to come to terms with Branden Albert. If you think Luke Joeckel is as much better than Branden Albert as many CPers think Geno is than Alex Smith, you give Albert a low ball offer to stick around as a RT or swing backup and wish him well as he walks out the door.

I'm cool with your lack of moving towards insults and attempts at having civilized discussion, but it's still hard for me when everything you post seems like you have just been fine and dandy with everything the chiefs have done.

Has there ever been anything the chiefs done that doesn't really agree with you? It just seems like you back and support everything they do because they are getting paid to do it. I'm not going to sift through 65 thousand of your posts, so I was just wondering if you wanted to say anything you haven't agreed with so I can see where you may be coming from in a different light.

philfree · 03-18-2013, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

I think most fans make the reasonable assumption that the coach and GM have a better idea of which option is better than they do and they enthusiastically support whichever choice is made until it proves to be the wrong one.

Yeah they have lives.

**RealSNR** · 03-18-2013, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

On CP they get credit for trying. To 90% of the fan base they look stupid for not getting the vet who could at least get them 7-9 wins.

90% of other fans have seen success in the playoffs since the first term of the ****ing Clinton administration.

patteeu · 03-18-2013, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

I'm cool with your lack of moving towards insults and attempts at having civilized discussion, but it's still hard for me when everything you post seems like you have just been fine and dandy with everything the chiefs have done.

Has there ever been anything the chiefs done that doesn't really agree with you? It just seems like you back and support everything they do because they are getting paid to do it. I'm not going to sift through 65 thousand of your posts, so I was just wondering if you wanted to say anything you haven't agreed with so I can see where you may be coming from in a different light.

Yeah, I thought they should have canned Cassel after year 3 or at the very least bring in the kind of competition that you expect to win the job.

I thought Pioli should have kept Herm on for one more year after his youth movement to see what he could do with it, partly because it was so late in the coach hiring season and partly because I just thought Herm deserved a chance to see his plan though a bit. If, after that year, Pioli wasn't satisfied, I would have been onboard with a change and Pioli would have had plenty of time to find the right guy (which, we've since learned, he may have been incapable of doing in any event).

I was never a fan of Elvis Grbac (I wanted them to sign Jeff George at the time). I didn't like it when they benched Rich Gannon or when they let him go in favor of Grbac, although I understood it on a financial level.

I didn't care for the Dontari Poe draft pick because it seemed like it was pure need plus workout rather than high quality player based on college production. I hope I'm wrong about that one.

I didn't like the Trent Green trade and after the first year I was ready to dump him.

But mostly when I disagree with them, I don't jump to the conclusion that they're stupid. I wait to see how it pans out. I think I've been right about some things (e.g. Gannon and moving on from Cassel after year 3) and I may well have been wrong about others (e.g. Jeff George and Trent Green).

03-15-2013, 07:48 AM
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1708179	Mike and Mike Talking about Geno going #1 overall It was just a matter of time. Obviously the Chiefs don't need him but they are helping create a market for a trade. Apparently Jaws loves the kid.
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03-18-2013, 10:42 AM	#351
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $3155047	I've stated it before....but I'm not pissed about Alex Smith. I'm pissed about what we gave up for him. If it was a 4th round pick and a conditional pick next year....it would've been fine. He's an average QB who has games where he looks above average but he's injury prone and he takes a lot of sacks. If the Alex Smith trade causes us to pass on Geno and take a LT at 1.1 because he needs an all world offensive line to protect him and we didn't want a "QB controversy"....then Reid and Dorsey can go **** themselves.
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03-18-2013, 10:44 AM	#355
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $3155047	I don't care if it's unrealistic or not.....but if we go 8-8 next year....it's a failure. 9-7 is the low mark for next year.
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