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Old 02-27-2013, 12:45 PM  
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Old 10-31-2013, 09:14 PM   #8191
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Old 10-31-2013, 09:20 PM   #8192
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If it's dire to importance, what's happening with the other teams who's qbs are making this plays?
Roethlisberger and Geno are clearly struggling, but that list right there is a pretty clear indicator. The rest of those teams are winning.
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Old 10-31-2013, 09:27 PM   #8193
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ESPN disagrees... 36 total attempts of 21+

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits...011/alex-smith


Unless there were a whole shit load of exactly 20 yard passes...which I doubt.

Clay's has a different number too..but it says deep passes...don't know how that was defined.
NFL deep pass = 15+ yards.

Some organizations like to talk about passes over 20 yards, but the NFL definition of deep pass is 15+ yards. Just look at the play by play of any game.
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Old 10-31-2013, 11:15 PM   #8194
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Top 11 QBs in downfield completions this year:

Geno - 4-4
Peyton - 7-1
Dalton - 6-2
Rodgers - 5-2
Cutler - 4-3
Roethlisberger - 2-5
Wilson - 7-1
Brees - 6-1
Stafford - 5-3
Rivers - 4-3
Kaepernick - 6-2

Basically, 6 of the best 8 teams in the league right now have guys near the top of the league in completing passes down the field. The exception is Brady and our dear, dear Alex.

Sorry. It is the absolute true.
Dalton and his deep throws sure helped his team tonight.
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Old 10-31-2013, 11:46 PM   #8195
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Yeah, another poor year throwing the ball down the field for him.

And still better than Alex.

Getting it yet?
"In Week 1 of the 2011 NFL season, Brady threw for 517 yards and 4 touchdowns, with one interception, against the Miami Dolphins, the second time he had thrown for 400 or more yards in a single game.[88][89]

In the regular season finale against the Buffalo Bills, Brady became the fourth quarterback to throw for 5,000 yards in a single season, finishing with 5,235; it surpassed Dan Marino's longstanding record of 5,084 passing yards, but finished the season second behind Drew Brees' 5,476."


If you don't get the implication, you are more stupid than I thought. One of Brady's best passing seasons, a historic season really... and guess what he had one of the league's lowest long yard passing attempts. So long pass attempts, the ORIGINAL metric, you were using to try and crucify Alex clearly has nothing to do with passing success.

And I don't know what else you're smoking but Alex had a 5% better completion rating vs a 0.1% less attempt rating so he was clearly more successful than Brady that year on long yard passing.

This all makes sense if you're being objective, that is, and not trying to promote an agenda.
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You really don't seem to get it.

Consistently, over the last three seasons, Alex is at the bottom of the league for deep attempts and completions.

There is no way to spin that. It is a bad thing.
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Old 11-01-2013, 12:00 AM   #8197
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You really don't seem to get it.

Consistently, over the last three seasons, Alex is at the bottom of the league for deep attempts and completions.

There is no way to spin that. It is a bad thing.
Not trying to counter your point. But, he was a couple plays from the Super Bowl with those bad deep passing stats.
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Old 11-01-2013, 12:01 AM   #8198
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You really don't seem to get it.

Consistently, over the last three seasons, Alex is at the bottom of the league for deep attempts and completions.

There is no way to spin that. It is a bad thing.
You don't seem to get it. It is not a bad thing.

If we go by your original metric, Tim Tebow is the #1 quarterback in the league, Tarvaris Jackson is #6 and Tom Brady is #27.
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You don't seem to get it. It is not a bad thing.

If we go by your original metric, Tim Tebow is the #1 quarterback in the league, Tarvaris Jackson is #6 and Tom Brady is #27.
I never said having a high number of attempts by itself was a good thing. You have to hit on a good percentage of them.

Having a low number of attempts, by itself, is a bad thing, though.

There was this bullshit post that was trying to say Alex attempting 10 percent of his passes down the field was good in some way. Haha, no. That's not enough.
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Old 11-01-2013, 12:04 AM   #8200
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Not trying to counter your point. But, he was a couple plays from the Super Bowl with those bad deep passing stats.
Thank you 49ers defense!
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Top 11 QBs in downfield completions this year:

Geno - 4-4
Peyton - 7-1
Dalton - 6-2
Rodgers - 5-2
Cutler - 4-3
Roethlisberger - 2-5
Wilson - 7-1
Brees - 6-1
Stafford - 5-3
Rivers - 4-3
Kaepernick - 6-2

Basically, 6 of the best 8 teams in the league right now have guys near the top of the league in completing passes down the field. The exception is Brady and our dear, dear Alex.

Sorry. It is the absolute true.
Which basically means your metric of a good QB is meaningless. Unless you think Brady, a guy surefire HOF and guy who is carrying a subpar team this year is a sucky QB.

I like how you change your metric from ATTEMPTS to COMPLETIONS. Put up the top # of long pass attempts this year and we'll see how much your theory holds water.
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Thank you 49ers defense!
And no thanks to Kyle Williams.

And our D ain't too shabby either.
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I never said having a high number of attempts by itself was a good thing. You have to hit on a good percentage of them.

Having a low number of attempts, by itself, is a bad thing, though.

There was this bullshit post that was trying to say Alex attempting 10 percent of his passes down the field was good in some way. Haha, no. That's not enough.
"This is true. Alex's percentage of attempts that traveled 20+ yards in the air was 9.7 percent that year.

That ranked 28th in the league.

He also hit 17 of them. That's decent for Alex, since he's on pace for a whopping 12 this year.

Same shit, different year. Dude has no balls to make NFL throws. "

That's not you?

so what are you complaining about here? His accuracy on long yard attempts?
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I'm complaining about the fact that he doesn't throw the ball down the field.

I mean I could live with it if he was average or something. But doing it less than anyone else in the entire league...god damn, son.
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I'm complaining about the fact that he doesn't throw the ball down the field.

I mean I could live with it if he was average or something. But doing it less than anyone else in the entire league...god damn, son.
To me, it's not so much that he does't throw deep very much. It's that (recently anyway) he's been missing horrible on many of the deep passing he has been attempting.
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