Don Banks from SI on Chiefs Coaching/GM

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• Kansas City -- The general consensus among the league sources I interviewed was that the high level of fan unrest in Kansas City would probably lead Chiefs owner Clark Hunt to make the personally difficult decision to replace general manager Scott Pioli, and not just head coach Romeo Crennel. Hunt and Pioli remain close, so there's a chance Pioli returns, especially if there's a head coach hire that Pioli can sell to Hunt as the potential difference maker. Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz is a name long linked to Pioli dating from their days together in Cleveland, and he always surfaces as a possible Pioli hire.

If Pioli isn't retained, he won't be out of work for long, because his personnel judgments are still widely respected throughout the league -- at least outside of Kansas City. It was thought the Chiefs might pursue Bill Polian as a GM candidate, but sources say there has not been contact between the two, even though Polian was thought to be willing to listen.

Other potential GM hires by the Chiefs are plentiful, but they include San Francisco's Gamble, Green Bay director of football operations John Dorsey and Indianapolis vice president of football operations Tom Telesco.

Dorsey is known for having a good eye for talent, and his college scouting background gives him a strong draft pedigree. He has worked under both Ted Thompson and Ron Wolf in Green Bay, two of the most respected personnel evaluators in recent NFL history, and sources say he's ready and willing to pursue all GM opportunities after turning down offers to interview last year.

On the coaching side, Arians, who might win the NFL Coach of the Year award for the job he did as the Colts' interim, is a name that has surfaced in Kansas City. His track record for quarterback coaching is respected, and his résumé includes successful stints with the likes of Peyton Manning in Indy, Ben Roethlisberger in Pittsburgh and this year's impressive rookie season by the Colts' Andrew Luck.

On the defensive side of the ball, Cincinnati defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer has again done a superb job with the talent he has on hand, and his work has as much to do with the Bengals returning to the playoffs as any other factor. He has been long considered a quality head coaching candidate, and his son, Adam Zimmer, is currently a defensive assistant on Crennel's staff.

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[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

Sure, if we had one of the top 3 QB's in the NFL, fine. So now we are saying Haley can't win without a top 5 franchise QB?


So how many blowouts this year do you put on Crennel, cause he has a QB core as bad as Haley?

Blowouts are blowouts when your team tunes you out and quits on you, which is what happened last year.


I'm not against Haley, I liked the hire. But when you have to make this many excuses as to why he failed, it begins to look a little off.

Was he the main culprit? No probably not. Does he deserve blame for it? Yeah

I fought this same battle when people were calling herm the worst coach of all time. And literally meant it. And got labeled a ball washer when I called him an average coach at best who inherited a terrible roster.

I've acknowledged Haley was a flawed coach. And areas where he needed major improvement. I am in the middle on Haley, but am painted as a ball washer because i have to fight against people who don't give even 1% credit to him for any kind of success.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I fought this same battle when people were calling herm the worst coach of all time. And literally meant it. And got labeled a ball washer when I called him an average coach at best who inherited a terrible roster.

I've acknowledged Haley was a flawed coach. And areas where he needed major improvement. I am in the middle on Haley, but am painted as a ball washer because i have to fight against people who don't give even 1% credit to him for any kind of success.

You're painted as a ball washer because you often exaggerate to make a point, while concurrently questioning others' credibility. Not surprisingly, this pisses people off.

[Brock]

Haley was fine as long as weis was here to hold his hand and show him what to do.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Brock

Haley was fine as long as weis was here to hold his hand and show him what to do.

No, Weis gave up on Cassel, and it was Haley who got the most out of the player. But Haley hated Cassel, and the former caused the coach to fail, but not before showing him how to woo a waitress at 31 Flavors.

[BossChief]

I thought it was arbys

[Brock]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

No, Weis gave up on Cassel, and it was Haley who got the most out of the player. But Haley hated Cassel, and the former caused the coach to fail, but not before showing him how to woo a waitress at 31 Flavors.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

You're painted as a ball washer because you often exaggerate to make a point, while concurrently questioning others' credibility. Not surprisingly, this pisses people off.

I exaggerated on a point, was called out on it, and owned up to it. Let's face it, hating Haley is a popular position. And I'm one of the only ones calling people out when they exaggerate the other side.

You said Haley didn't improve anyone. You're quick to credit Weis for 2010 success, and not mention that maybe Weis may have had a difficult time winning without Charles too. I continue to hear the ridiculous Tyler Palko argument. And actually claiming that Albert is no better than he was as a rookie is just mind-boggling. I'm sorry, but when you're so hell bent on discrediting a guy that you find every way to pass credit to someone else, that's exactly the mentality CP too often has. And it's the same dumb shit that made people criticize Herm even for personnel decisions stupidly made by Carl Peterson.

[whoman69]

Haley is gone. The team continued to suck. Let's stop the pretense that the team was bad because of Haley. He certainly didn't help himself in his approach to the start of last season. He certainly didn't get along with Pioli or Cassel or really too many people. This year's team has been an embarrassment from day one. Haley didn't do that. Pioli and Crennel did.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by whoman69

Haley is gone. The team continued to suck. Let's stop the pretense that the team was bad because of Haley. He certainly didn't help himself in his approach to the start of last season. He certainly didn't get along with Pioli or Cassel or really too many people. This year's team has been an embarrassment from day one. Haley didn't do that. Pioli and Crennel did.

Nobody said the team was bad because of Haley.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I exaggerated on a point, was called out on it, and owned up to it. Let's face it, hating Haley is a popular position. And I'm one of the only ones calling people out when they exaggerate the other side.

You said Haley didn't improve anyone. You're quick to credit Weis for 2010 success, and not mention that maybe Weis may have had a difficult time winning without Charles too. I continue to hear the ridiculous Tyler Palko argument. And actually claiming that Albert is no better than he was as a rookie is just mind-boggling. I'm sorry, but when you're so hell bent on discrediting a guy that you find every way to pass credit to someone else, that's exactly the mentality CP too often has. And it's the same dumb shit that made people criticize Herm even for personnel decisions stupidly made by Carl Peterson.

I accept your apology for criticizing my credibility with respect to Albert.

Here's exactly what I said about Haley:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

He was a piece of ****ing shit HC. This doesn't necessarily mean that everything he touched turned to ****--after all, the man isn't Pioli--but he wasn't anywhere close to being good.

Stop attributing absolutes to me.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I accept your apology for criticizing my credibility with respect to Albert.

Here's exactly what I said about Haley:



Stop attributing absolutes to me.

I've debated you enough to know that your statement is more consistent with how you think. But it's not being backed by what you're saying in this thread. Because what I'm hearing you say is that he didn't ruin everything, but he certainly didn't help anything. Every time I've pointed out some level of success during his time, you credited it to someone else.

And that's where I'm pushing back. Sorry if I'm taking it out on you, but it's the same shit I fought during the Herm era. 4 years later, people are realizing that I was right. For the record... again, I do not know if Haley was a great coach. But I believed he showed enough upside and wasn't given a fair shake to prove what he could have done in the right environment. And when I say "right environment" I'm talking about an environment that NO quality coach would want to work under.