Chiefs *****The Dorian O'Daniel Thread***** - Page 24

Dante84 · 04-27-2018, 09:00 PM

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Overview
Athletic linebackers like O'Daniel are earning high marks from NFL scouts because they need to cover the middle of the field in passing situations. ACC coaches recognized O'Daniel's talent in 2017, naming him second-team all-conference after he led the Tigers with 103 tackles, including 11.5 for loss and five sacks, as well as three pass breakups in 14 starts. One of the top outside linebacker recruits in the nation after an excellent high school career in the Washington, D.C. metro area (all-state in Maryland with 1,307 rushing yards, 18 touchdowns as senior, 16.5 tackles for loss, five sacks as junior). O'Daniel redshirted in 2013, and then got into the action regularly as a freshman, starting once and leading the team with 13 special teams tackles (had 31 total stops, sack) in 12 games played. He once again paced the team with 19 special teams stops in 2015, and was credited with 32 total tackles in 15 games as a reserve. Given a chance to play more on defense as a junior (10 starts in 15 games), O'Daniel used his quickness and tenacious nature to make 60 stops, 10 for loss, and 2.5 sacks.

What O'Daniel lacks in size and speed at the linebacker spot, he makes up for with production and consistency. He may not have the tools to become a quality full-time starter at linebacker, but his outstanding career as a special teams cover talent could be enough to earn him a roster spot and a place in the league for years to come.

Strengths

Madman on special teams
Finished career with 48 special teams tackles and most of them in kick coverage
Has a gift for playing past kick return blocks and maintaining focus on the returner
Technically sound as tackler
Sees what he hits and drives upper body into target while wrapping to finish
Possesses agility for lateral tackles against cutback runs
Hustles to contain against perimeter runs
Offers versatility
Played near the line and matched up on slot targets
Redirects routes with force
Reads and squeezes from zone
Finished 2017 with seven passes defensed including two pick-six interceptions

Weaknesses

Just one season as starter
Has the frame of a big safety, but is an average athlete in space
Is a little sluggish in his directional change and needs a runway to get accelerate to top speed
Pursuit speed is below par
Often blocked by smaller slot players against spread rushing attacks
Needs to prove he can beat blocks near the line of scrimmage on next level
Gives up separation when matched in man coverage
Plays upright and needs to do better job of anticipating routes

Chris Meck · 02-17-2019, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Yea that might be too much, but either way after spending on Hitchens last year I wouldn’t spend money on a LB this year unless it’s him because he can also rush the passer.

how about-
KJ Wright-Hitchens-DoD?

Wright'll probably be cheaper...and draft a SAM of the future.

staylor26 · 02-17-2019, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

how about-
KJ Wright-Hitchens-DoD?

Wright'll probably be cheaper...and draft a SAM of the future.

I completely forgot about Wright. He’s probably the only other LB I’d consider.

Chris Meck · 02-17-2019, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I completely forgot about Wright. He’s probably the only other LB I’d consider.

yeah. I mean, there'll be lots of JAGS and I expect we'd pick one up, but as far as a 'target' guy with a contract worth mentioning, yeah.

staylor26 · 02-17-2019, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

yeah. I mean, there'll be lots of JAGS and I expect we'd pick one up, but as far as a 'target' guy with a contract worth mentioning, yeah.

Yea exactly I’m talking starters.

Willie Lanier · 02-17-2019, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

What exactly did I say that makes it a “homeristic POV”?

You’re acting like I said he’s the next Deion Jones. I was just pointing out that size wasn’t quite the issue that you were making it out to be.

That's my mistake then; I misread that thinking you were saying just that...

I apologize

Chris Meck · 02-17-2019, 09:49 PM

there's nothing wrong with O'Daniel's size to play WLB. he's pretty much spot on prototype. Whether you think he's good enough to handle it or not, is up to the beholder. i think it's reasonable to expect that he'll make fewer mistakes with a year in the league and better coaching; and I think his physical style looked like he's a keeper. But we'll see.

Willie Lanier · 02-17-2019, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

there's nothing wrong with O'Daniel's size to play WLB. he's pretty much spot on prototype. Whether you think he's good enough to handle it or not, is up to the beholder. i think it's reasonable to expect that he'll make fewer mistakes with a year in the league and better coaching; and I think his physical style looked like he's a keeper. But we'll see.

226 lbs is ideal size for a Will lb in a 4 3?

His dimensions fit the prototype for a will in the 4 3?

Sorry bud but I disagree

Chris Meck · 02-17-2019, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Willie Lanier

226 lbs is ideal size for a Will lb in a 4 3?

His dimensions fit the prototype for a will in the 4 3?

Sorry bud but I disagree

he's fine. 230 is normal. 226 coming out college is pretty normal. Look around the league. He'd be really light in a 3-4; in a 4-3 that's become much more common.

Willie Lanier · 02-17-2019, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

he's fine. 230 is normal. 226 coming out college is pretty normal. Look around the league. He'd be really light in a 3-4; in a 4-3 that's become much more common.

Hey, I'm still holding on to the idea I was/am wrong

I'll never root against a Chief to succeed

Chris Meck · 02-18-2019, 12:04 AM

PFF news and analysis (it's from 2012, so it's old but in general accurate still. )

4-3 WILL Linebacker (OLB) –

The weak side linebacker is the glamour spot in the 4-3. Things are geared for this guy to fly to the football and make plays. Typically the SAM will take care of the first lead blocker, the MIKE linebacker cleans up any other blocks and the WILL linebacker can just penetrate and make a play on the football. The WILL therefore is usually the quickest, most explosive of the 4-3 linebackers.

Teams will sacrifice size in favor of speed and running ability and you will often hear about players coming out from the draft who are seen as either WILL linebackers or strong safeties. They need to be explosive athletes that can find their way through traffic at pace and get to the ball carrier, while the lead blocks are being taken care of by the other linebackers.

Ironically enough, Ernie Sims would be the perfect NFL prototype for this position, but for the fact that he can’t seem to play to his physical skills. Sims is one of the most athletic linebackers in the league, is on the small side at around 225 pounds, and can run with anybody, but he consistently misreads plays or over-pursues and takes himself out of things. While SAM linebackers throw themselves at blocks, blowing up the play at the point of attack, WILL linebackers need to take the right angle to kill the play on first contact, and Sims can’t seem to master that.

After a breakout second season, the new NFL prototype might be the Falcons’ Sean Weatherspoon. He is a fast, instinctive linebacker and was PFF’s fourth-rated 4-3 OLB against the run last season.

Alternative Prototypes: Lance Briggs, Chad Greenway, Will Witherspoon

Deberg_1990 · 12-31-2019, 08:50 PM

On the Chargers final drive, a familiar face from last year was on the field covering running backs. pic.twitter.com/xBdtCcXdKF
— Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) December 31, 2019

He was back on Sunday!

Naptown Chief · 12-31-2019, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

On the Chargers final drive, a familiar face from last year was on the field covering running backs. pic.twitter.com/xBdtCcXdKF
— Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) December 31, 2019

He was back on Sunday!

Kpass getting choked on that play

NVM, 52 not 92

Beerthirty · 12-31-2019, 09:14 PM

Rivers takes a nice shot to the back of his head. Lol

JohnnyHammersticks · 01-13-2020, 09:41 AM

I know this guy has been a disappointment so far, but credit where credit is due. He stepped up and made a couple big plays for us yesterday.

Dante84 · 09-11-2020, 03:47 PM

Just saw this: He played 8% of defensive snaps, with 4 tackles (3 solo + 1 Sack).

Pretty good outing with limited reps.

02-17-2019, 09:49 PM	#351
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $1994910	there's nothing wrong with O'Daniel's size to play WLB. he's pretty much spot on prototype. Whether you think he's good enough to handle it or not, is up to the beholder. i think it's reasonable to expect that he'll make fewer mistakes with a year in the league and better coaching; and I think his physical style looked like he's a keeper. But we'll see.
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02-18-2019, 12:04 AM	#355
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $1994910	PFF news and analysis (it's from 2012, so it's old but in general accurate still. ) 4-3 WILL Linebacker (OLB) – The weak side linebacker is the glamour spot in the 4-3. Things are geared for this guy to fly to the football and make plays. Typically the SAM will take care of the first lead blocker, the MIKE linebacker cleans up any other blocks and the WILL linebacker can just penetrate and make a play on the football. The WILL therefore is usually the quickest, most explosive of the 4-3 linebackers. Teams will sacrifice size in favor of speed and running ability and you will often hear about players coming out from the draft who are seen as either WILL linebackers or strong safeties. They need to be explosive athletes that can find their way through traffic at pace and get to the ball carrier, while the lead blocks are being taken care of by the other linebackers. Ironically enough, Ernie Sims would be the perfect NFL prototype for this position, but for the fact that he can’t seem to play to his physical skills. Sims is one of the most athletic linebackers in the league, is on the small side at around 225 pounds, and can run with anybody, but he consistently misreads plays or over-pursues and takes himself out of things. While SAM linebackers throw themselves at blocks, blowing up the play at the point of attack, WILL linebackers need to take the right angle to kill the play on first contact, and Sims can’t seem to master that. After a breakout second season, the new NFL prototype might be the Falcons’ Sean Weatherspoon. He is a fast, instinctive linebacker and was PFF’s fourth-rated 4-3 OLB against the run last season. Alternative Prototypes: Lance Briggs, Chad Greenway, Will Witherspoon
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12-31-2019, 08:50 PM	#356
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3914454	On the Chargers final drive, a familiar face from last year was on the field covering running backs. pic.twitter.com/xBdtCcXdKF — Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) December 31, 2019 He was back on Sunday! __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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12-31-2019, 09:14 PM	#358
Beerthirty Starter Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: St.Joseph MO Casino cash: $9954915	Rivers takes a nice shot to the back of his head. Lol
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01-13-2020, 09:41 AM	#359
JohnnyHammersticks MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Chandler AZ Casino cash: $2781254	I know this guy has been a disappointment so far, but credit where credit is due. He stepped up and made a couple big plays for us yesterday.
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09-11-2020, 03:47 PM	#360
Dante84 Tossed Salad & Scrambled Eggs Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: ATX & OPKS Casino cash: $1841996 VARSITY	Just saw this: He played 8% of defensive snaps, with 4 tackles (3 solo + 1 Sack). Pretty good outing with limited reps. __________________ ..
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