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Old 09-29-2018, 01:06 PM  
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Eric Berry has a Haglundís deformity on his heel

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

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REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.

By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

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Old 11-16-2018, 08:41 PM   #2191
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Then why can't he practice, even as a "limited participant".
I don't know, do you? No you don't.
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Old 11-16-2018, 08:41 PM   #2192
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He got paid before Mahomes became a thing here. It was pure desperation on the Chiefs part, but they were in a tough spot because of the image. They didn't want to look like the bad guys and I get it.

But they days of the Chiefs overpaying positions that aren't QB to carry their team because they don't have a QB to overpay are over. Mahomes makes highly paid positional talent a complete afterthought.

They dont need to give a safety or an OLBer 100 million ever again.

Exactly what the Seahawks went through. They didnt need any of those overpaid, injury prone veterans that play random positions. They have Wilson. Who cares, just cut them and replace them. Your QB guarantees you at least 9 or 10 wins every year right out the gate. It's a great luxury to have and the Chiefs now have it so see ya later overpaid positions that don't actually swing the difference in the Win-Loss column.
THAT'S the kind of honesty 1 Arrowhead Way can do without, the truth has no place when it comes to the kissing up to to players!
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Old 11-16-2018, 08:44 PM   #2193
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I don't know, do you? No you don't.
You tell us... you are claiming that you saw a reporter reporting that Eric Berry is doing some light workouts... which sounds like the very same type of speculation you were just throwing a temper tantrum about... so why can't he take the next step and begin practicing, even as a limited participant?
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You tell us... you are claiming that you saw a reporter reporting that Eric Berry is doing some light workouts... which sounds like the very same type of speculation you were just throwing a temper tantrum about... so why can't he take the next step and begin practicing, even as a limited participant?
You are literally dumb as ****.

A reporter saying he saw Berry running and doing a few drills is the same as your dumb ass making claims based off nothing more than your 13 year old girl level emotions?

Look I am done on the topic with you, I have made my opinion clear, until he is on IR I expect he will play.

You are too ****ing stupid to have a rational conversation with. Don't expect me to respond to your dumbass on this topic ever again.
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Old 11-16-2018, 08:58 PM   #2195
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THAT'S the kind of honesty 1 Arrowhead Way can do without, the true has no place when it comes to the kissing up to to players!
No, he's right; that shit is OVER. Having a guy like Mahomes makes the Berry's and Houston's of the world so ****ing expendable, you'll get to enjoy watching who wants to play with a champion and be part of something special vs. "'IMMA' GET PAID NOW, BITCHES"!


There's only one guy getting undisputed bank from here on out. Everyone else can get "Maclin'd".
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He got paid before Mahomes became a thing here. It was pure desperation on the Chiefs part, but they were in a tough spot because of the image. They didn't want to look like the bad guys and I get it.

But they days of the Chiefs overpaying positions that aren't QB to carry their team because they don't have a QB to overpay are over. Mahomes makes highly paid positional talent a complete afterthought.

They dont need to give a safety or an OLBer 100 million ever again.

Exactly what the Seahawks went through. They didnt need any of those overpaid, injury prone veterans that play random positions. They have Wilson. Who cares, just cut them and replace them. Your QB guarantees you at least 9 or 10 wins every year right out the gate. It's a great luxury to have and the Chiefs now have it so see ya later overpaid positions that don't actually swing the difference in the Win-Loss column.
This mantra of “Mahomes alone is going to win everything for us so we don’t need anybody else” is simply not true.

The Seahawks let all of their paid premeire players walk and now they suck. The Packers sat out of FA every year and haven’t won shit since giving Rodgers a $100+ million contract in 2013.

You still pay good players if they are worth it.
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This mantra of ďMahomes alone is going to win everything for us so we donít need anybody elseĒ is simply not true.

The Seahawks let all of their paid premeire players walk and now they suck. The Packers sat out of FA every year and havenít won shit since giving Rodgers a $100+ million contract in 2013.

You still pay good players if they are worth it.
This is spot on.
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This mantra of ďMahomes alone is going to win everything for us so we donít need anybody elseĒ is simply not true.

The Seahawks let all of their paid premeire players walk and now they suck. The Packers sat out of FA every year and havenít won shit since giving Rodgers a $100+ million contract in 2013.

You still pay good players if they are worth it.
Not entirely. They kept some who are still contributing (Baldwin and Wagner), kept others who got hurt (Thomas and Chancellor) and let others go (Sherman and Bennett).

Their biggest issue is that they haven't been drafting as well these past few years as they did from 2010-2012. The strength of those drafts propelled them to their Super Bowl appearances.
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He got paid before Mahomes became a thing here. It was pure desperation on the Chiefs part, but they were in a tough spot because of the image. They didn't want to look like the bad guys and I get it.

But they days of the Chiefs overpaying positions that aren't QB to carry their team because they don't have a QB to overpay are over. Mahomes makes highly paid positional talent a complete afterthought.

They dont need to give a safety or an OLBer 100 million ever again.

Exactly what the Seahawks went through. They didnt need any of those overpaid, injury prone veterans that play random positions. They have Wilson. Who cares, just cut them and replace them. Your QB guarantees you at least 9 or 10 wins every year right out the gate. It's a great luxury to have and the Chiefs now have it so see ya later overpaid positions that don't actually swing the difference in the Win-Loss column.
The team needs to be built to compliment Mahomes. Period.

Every single move this team makes the next 15 years is to help the team win big games while complimenting the offensive style.

Build the defense to rush the passer and cover a lot. Teams are being forced to throw a lot and thatís not gonna stop or even slow down for a decade, minimum.

Keep drafting pass rushers like Ford, Kpass, Houston and Speaks.

Draft some corners they think have ELITE upside.

Draft some safeties that can play in coverage for 60 minutes and narrow the windows.

Keep coaching up young talent.

Now...does that mean we donít give out 100m contracts to deserving players? Lolol of course we should continue to do so. Just because Houston blew his knee and Berry tore his Achilles doesnít mean that happens to every stud that deserves a big contract. It just means the team needs to be smart when writing those deals.

Iíd say that Dee Ford deserves a new contract, but imho the team needs to protect itself in case his back issues flare back up.

Imo he deserves the franchise tag in 2019 and if his back holds up a second year, give him a market value deal.

Gotta trust the pattern to continue, so until his pattern shows health and production for more than one year, itís not worth the gamble after this year...but 2 healthy years in a row is a new pattern deserving of a mega deal similar to what Von Miller got.
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Old 11-16-2018, 09:54 PM   #2202
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Not entirely. They kept some who are still contributing (Baldwin and Wagner), kept others who got hurt (Thomas and Chancellor) and let others go (Sherman and Bennett).

Their biggest issue is that they haven't been drafting as well these past few years as they did from 2010-2012. The strength of those drafts propelled them to their Super Bowl appearances.


Yep, that's the sharp side of the knife. You can let the "market value" divas and under performers go, but you need to be on top of your drafting and produce more hits than misses.
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This mantra of ďMahomes alone is going to win everything for us so we donít need anybody elseĒ is simply not true.

The Seahawks let all of their paid premeire players walk and now they suck. The Packers sat out of FA every year and havenít won shit since giving Rodgers a $100+ million contract in 2013.

You still pay good players if they are worth it.
Packers pay players. See: Devante Adams.

What the Packers don't do is give Ha Ha Clinton Dix 70 million dollars. See: Chiefs.
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Packers pay players. See: Devante Adams.

What the Packers don't do is give Ha Ha Clinton Dix 70 million dollars. See: Chiefs.
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The team needs to be built to compliment Mahomes. Period.

Every single move this team makes the next 15 years is to help the team win big games while complimenting the offensive style.

Build the defense to rush the passer and cover a lot. Teams are being forced to throw a lot and thatís not gonna stop or even slow down for a decade, minimum.

Keep drafting pass rushers like Ford, Kpass, Houston and Speaks.

Draft some corners they think have ELITE upside.

Draft some safeties that can play in coverage for 60 minutes and narrow the windows.

Keep coaching up young talent.

Now...does that mean we donít give out 100m contracts to deserving players? Lolol of course we should continue to do so. Just because Houston blew his knee and Berry tore his Achilles doesnít mean that happens to every stud that deserves a big contract. It just means the team needs to be smart when writing those deals.

Iíd say that Dee Ford deserves a new contract, but imho the team needs to protect itself in case his back issues flare back up.

Imo he deserves the franchise tag in 2019 and if his back holds up a second year, give him a market value deal.

Gotta trust the pattern to continue, so until his pattern shows health and production for more than one year, itís not worth the gamble after this year...but 2 healthy years in a row is a new pattern deserving of a mega deal similar to what Von Miller got.
Yep, keep drafting Defense, keep the bulk of that side of the ball young,fast and cheap.
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