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**Tribal Warfare** · 02-25-2012, 01:06 AM

Chiefs plan to have competition for quarterback Cassel
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Of the players who served as a backup quarterback for the Chiefs the last three seasons, none could be considered a serious candidate to take Matt Cassel’s starting job.

General manager Scott Pioli said he couldn’t promise the Chiefs would find a more significant challenge for Cassel this year. But he indicated that if the Chiefs failed, it wouldn’t be for a lack of trying.

Just as it wasn’t, Pioli said, the last three seasons.

“The answer is yes, there’s going to be competition at quarterback,” Pioli said Thursday at the NFL scouting combine. “But that doesn’t make it different from any other year. That’s not different from the past.

“I don’t think we haven’t tried (to bring in competition for Cassel). Part of it was circumstances. When we traded for Matt, he was coming to a program that had two starting quarterbacks here already. It’s easy to sit here now and say, ‘You can’t say player X wasn’t competition.’ That’s not fair. Look at it in the snapshot of that place and time. It certainly appeared there was going to be competition.”

Tyler Thigpen and Brodie Croyle were the Chiefs’ quarterbacks when they traded for Cassel three years ago. Neither has been a productive player since leaving the Chiefs.

Matt Gutierrez, Tyler Palko, Ricky Stanzi and Kyle Orton have been quarterbacks who have come, and in some cases gone, since.

Stanzi, who was drafted last year, is the only Chiefs quarterback other than Cassel under contract for next season. Orton played in four games for the Chiefs last season after Cassel injured his hand and was lost for the year.

“Last year, free-agency never started (until training camp),” Pioli said. “We had Matt on the roster. We had Tyler on the roster. We had Ricky, who we drafted. We didn’t draft someone high who was perceived as competition, but I’ll say this: I think Ricky is competition. Let’s not get lost in where a guy was drafted as to whether or not he’s a player. This league has shown time and time again at many positions, including this particular position, that where a player is drafted doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with how good he is or how good he becomes.

“You just don’t wave a wand and magically say, ‘There’s competition.’ We drafted a quarterback last year who I truly believe has good ability and has the potential to start in this league. I really do believe that.”

With only Cassel and Stanzi signed for 2012, the Chiefs will add at least one quarterback and probably two before training camp starts in July. Veteran possibilities include Peyton Manning, if he’s released by Indianapolis.

Two other free-agent possibilities are Chad Henne, who played for Miami last year with new Chiefs offensive coordinator Brian Daboll, and Jason Campbell, who played two seasons for Washington under Jim Zorn, now the Chiefs’ quarterbacks coach.

“You don’t know what’s going to happen in free-agency and you don’t know what you’re going to be able to get done,” Pioli said. “Quarterback seems to be one of those positions where there’s pretty good ones, veteran guys who are cut and have outpriced their role.

“So you don’t know about quarterbacks (in free-agency). You can’t create a person out of nothing. Availability and circumstances are (key factors in acquiring a quarterback). You can only work with the pool of players you can work with even though you might have certain intentions.”

The draft is another option for the Chiefs to add a quarterback.

“My hope and strong desire is to draft a quarterback every single year,” Pioli said. “There’s great value in that. Last year I didn’t know if we were going to draft (a quarterback) in the first, second, third, fourth, fifth round, but we ended up drafting a guy who a number of us really like and really think can be a starter in the National Football League.”

One of Pioli’s first moves after joining the Chiefs three years ago was to trade for Cassel, who was coming off a strong season as a starter for New England. Cassel had a big season for the Chiefs in 2010, when he made the Pro Bowl.

Otherwise, he has struggled to fulfill Pioli’s vision for him. Last year, the Chiefs struggled at the start after losing running back Jamaal Charles and tight end Tony Moeaki for the season with injuries.

Cassel’s season ended after nine games because of the broken hand.

“In 2010, Matt was certainly on his way to becoming that player, on his way to becoming a good NFL quarterback,” Pioli said. “He was winning games and he was producing and he was a reason good things were happening.

“This past year was a tough set of circumstances to measure and evaluate his progress. I don’t ever want to make excuses for a team or a player, but playing without one of the best young running backs in the National Football League and playing without one of the

Fritz88 · 02-25-2012, 06:10 AM

I am praying it's all a smokescreen.

Okie_Apparition · 02-25-2012, 06:23 AM

If they can make a breakfast pizza. There is little reason they can't make a breakfast popcorn. Bits of ham, egg, cheese, what ever your posion & caffeine. Must have the caffeine

Hog's Gone Fishin · 02-25-2012, 07:08 AM

I guess it would take someone like Daniel Snyder to make you ****tards happy. What a bunch of whining idiots !

milkman · 02-25-2012, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

I guess it would take someone like Daniel Snyder to make you ****tards happy. What a bunch of whining idiots !

No, not Daniel Snyder.

The Rooney's would be good, though.

barn · 02-25-2012, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Let’s not get lost in where a guy was drafted as to whether or not he’s a player. This league has shown time and time again at many positions, including this particular position, that where a player is drafted doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with how good he is or how good he becomes.

lulz

**Rausch** · 02-25-2012, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

No, not Daniel Snyder.

The Rooney's would be good, though.

At this point I'm willing to just dump the scouts and hire spies to find out who the Steelers want at NT/OLB/HB...

trndobrd · 02-25-2012, 07:53 AM

The fact that the article makes no mention of bringing Orton back makes me believe they are trying to resign him.

Hopefully (sigh) Pioli is putting all this turd polish on Cassell in an effort to get some value out of him while he's working the other GMs at the combine. Hell, maybe the Rams need a proven backup QB. Throw in a top tier CB a couple #1 picks and voila!

**Rausch** · 02-25-2012, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by trndobrd

The fact that the article makes no mention of bringing Orton back makes me believe they are trying to resign him.

"Can I haz methburger two!1!"

BoneKrusher · 02-25-2012, 07:58 AM

Chiefs plan to have competition for quarterback Cassel

I'll believe this when i see it.

Coogs · 02-25-2012, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

Kyle Orton had NO running game and NO tight end in Denver and he at least looked like a competent NFL quarterback who could move the ball through the air with some degree of effiency.

A couple of injuries and your boy Cassel ****ING DIES and TURNS TO SHIT.

NO ONE BUYS YOUR BULLSHIT PIOLI. WE SEE THROUGH YOU.

EAT SHIT, FAT BOY.

I think you could change the word Denver for Kansas City and have an even stronger case. Orton made this offense look pretty good those three starts he had here. Same offense Cassel struggled with.

**Rausch** · 02-25-2012, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

I think you could change the word Denver for Kansas City and have an even stronger case. Orton made this offense look pretty good those three starts he had here. Same offense Cassel struggled with.

He won 2 games and took the 3rd to OT in crunch time.

He won the type of games Ca$$hole has always lost.

To me that speaks volumes.

I don't care how. I don't care if you dink and dunk or bomb it accurately deep - just win.

I'd give Orton 12 mil a year before ****ing Routt 7 mil.

milkman · 02-25-2012, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

He won 2 games and took the 3rd to OT in crunch time.

He won the type of games Ca$$hole has always lost.

To me that speaks volumes.

I don't care how. I don't care if you dink and dunk or bomb it accurately deep - just win.

I'd give Orton 12 mil a year before ****ing Routt 7 mil.

Are you ****ing drunk?

12 mil a year for a scrub QB?

That's ludicrous.

**Rausch** · 02-25-2012, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Are you ****ing drunk?

12 mil a year for a scrub QB?

That's ludicrous.

He won 2 of the last 4 games of the year.

If we're going to waste money (and we already have) I'd prefer to overpay an average QB that we can win with over a corner who leads the league in penalties and still can't cover.

Value is relative.

milkman · 02-25-2012, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

He won 2 of the last 4 games of the year.

If we're going to waste money (and we already have) I'd prefer to overpay an average QB that we can win with over a corner who leads the league in penalties and still can't cover.

Value is relative.

That's just ****ing stupid.

jspchief · 02-25-2012, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

No, not Daniel Snyder.

The Rooney's would be good, though.

Rooney Mara for me please.

02-25-2012, 01:06 AM
Tribal Warfare The Boom Boom Room Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $962813	Teicher: Chiefs plan to have competition for quarterback Cassel Chiefs plan to have competition for quarterback Cassel By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Of the players who served as a backup quarterback for the Chiefs the last three seasons, none could be considered a serious candidate to take Matt Cassel’s starting job. General manager Scott Pioli said he couldn’t promise the Chiefs would find a more significant challenge for Cassel this year. But he indicated that if the Chiefs failed, it wouldn’t be for a lack of trying. Just as it wasn’t, Pioli said, the last three seasons. “The answer is yes, there’s going to be competition at quarterback,” Pioli said Thursday at the NFL scouting combine. “But that doesn’t make it different from any other year. That’s not different from the past. “I don’t think we haven’t tried (to bring in competition for Cassel). Part of it was circumstances. When we traded for Matt, he was coming to a program that had two starting quarterbacks here already. It’s easy to sit here now and say, ‘You can’t say player X wasn’t competition.’ That’s not fair. Look at it in the snapshot of that place and time. It certainly appeared there was going to be competition.” Tyler Thigpen and Brodie Croyle were the Chiefs’ quarterbacks when they traded for Cassel three years ago. Neither has been a productive player since leaving the Chiefs. Matt Gutierrez, Tyler Palko, Ricky Stanzi and Kyle Orton have been quarterbacks who have come, and in some cases gone, since. Stanzi, who was drafted last year, is the only Chiefs quarterback other than Cassel under contract for next season. Orton played in four games for the Chiefs last season after Cassel injured his hand and was lost for the year. “Last year, free-agency never started (until training camp),” Pioli said. “We had Matt on the roster. We had Tyler on the roster. We had Ricky, who we drafted. We didn’t draft someone high who was perceived as competition, but I’ll say this: I think Ricky is competition. Let’s not get lost in where a guy was drafted as to whether or not he’s a player. This league has shown time and time again at many positions, including this particular position, that where a player is drafted doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with how good he is or how good he becomes. “You just don’t wave a wand and magically say, ‘There’s competition.’ We drafted a quarterback last year who I truly believe has good ability and has the potential to start in this league. I really do believe that.” With only Cassel and Stanzi signed for 2012, the Chiefs will add at least one quarterback and probably two before training camp starts in July. Veteran possibilities include Peyton Manning, if he’s released by Indianapolis. Two other free-agent possibilities are Chad Henne, who played for Miami last year with new Chiefs offensive coordinator Brian Daboll, and Jason Campbell, who played two seasons for Washington under Jim Zorn, now the Chiefs’ quarterbacks coach. “You don’t know what’s going to happen in free-agency and you don’t know what you’re going to be able to get done,” Pioli said. “Quarterback seems to be one of those positions where there’s pretty good ones, veteran guys who are cut and have outpriced their role. “So you don’t know about quarterbacks (in free-agency). You can’t create a person out of nothing. Availability and circumstances are (key factors in acquiring a quarterback). You can only work with the pool of players you can work with even though you might have certain intentions.” The draft is another option for the Chiefs to add a quarterback. “My hope and strong desire is to draft a quarterback every single year,” Pioli said. “There’s great value in that. Last year I didn’t know if we were going to draft (a quarterback) in the first, second, third, fourth, fifth round, but we ended up drafting a guy who a number of us really like and really think can be a starter in the National Football League.” One of Pioli’s first moves after joining the Chiefs three years ago was to trade for Cassel, who was coming off a strong season as a starter for New England. Cassel had a big season for the Chiefs in 2010, when he made the Pro Bowl. Otherwise, he has struggled to fulfill Pioli’s vision for him. Last year, the Chiefs struggled at the start after losing running back Jamaal Charles and tight end Tony Moeaki for the season with injuries. Cassel’s season ended after nine games because of the broken hand. “In 2010, Matt was certainly on his way to becoming that player, on his way to becoming a good NFL quarterback,” Pioli said. “He was winning games and he was producing and he was a reason good things were happening. “This past year was a tough set of circumstances to measure and evaluate his progress. I don’t ever want to make excuses for a team or a player, but playing without one of the best young running backs in the National Football League and playing without one of the
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