Football Expectations and Alex Smith - Page 30

keg in kc · 03-23-2013, 03:29 PM

Just curious. Inspired by the ongoing thread about "Geno fan" expectations, and I'm curious what the thinking is on the other side of the fence. What do people expect out of Alex Smith over the next, let's say, 2-5 years? Specifics, even, yardage and TDs, wins and losses, offensive rankings, etc. This is not a thread with an agenda, I'm genuinely curious what people think, so let's try to keep this from turning into snipe thread #368.

Tombstone RJ · 03-25-2013, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Beeker

Agreed, although I'm not so sure Matt Moore is equal to Alex. And for the record, I'm no Alex lover - he is what he is. Also for the record, I've said it repeatedly that NONE of this year's QBs will EVER win a playoff game. EVER.

There's no Elway or Marino or Luck or RG3 in this draft ad of right now and I agree, this years crop is subpar. However you still gotta try. Look at Cleveland, they have taken McCoy and Weeden the last few years and it wasn't like McCoy a total waste of space. The point is they keep trying and they probably will draft anothe QB this year (maybe). Point being, until you have that franchise guy, you keep looking until you have him.

Beeker · 03-25-2013, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

There's no Elway or Marino or Luck or RG3 in this draft ad of right now and I agree, this years crop is subpar. However you still gotta try. Look at Cleveland, they have taken McCoy and Weeden the last few years and it wasn't like McCoy a total waste of space. The point is they keep trying and they probably will draft anothe QB this year (maybe). Point being, until you have that franchise guy, you keep looking until you have him.

Let me preface this:

IN NO WAY AM I COMPARING ALEX SMITH TO STEVE YOUNG OR DREW BREES.

Young was considered a bust in Tampa after going 3-19 in his starts there.
Brees went 8-8 and was benched his second year for Doug Flutie. He then went 12-4 and followed that up with a franchise tag year of 9-7.

Hmmmmm ... I guess FA signings never work out, either.

Tombstone RJ · 03-25-2013, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Beeker

Let me preface this:

IN NO WAY AM I COMPARING ALEX SMITH TO STEVE YOUNG OR DREW BREES.

Young was considered a bust in Tampa after going 3-19 in his starts there.
Brees went 8-8 and was benched his second year for Doug Flutie. He then went 12-4 and followed that up with a franchise tag year of 9-7.

Hmmmmm ... I guess FA signings never work out, either.

FA can be effective, yes. But Alex Smith was traded for so he was never a FA.

milkman · 03-25-2013, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Beeker

Agreed, although I'm not so sure Matt Moore is equal to Alex. And for the record, I'm no Alex lover - he is what he is. Also for the record, I've said it repeatedly that NONE of this year's QBs will EVER win a playoff game. EVER.

I'm betting the next college football game you watch will be your first.

I'm also betting you have Mel Kiper fathead hanging on yourf wall.

**Dave Lane** · 03-25-2013, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Beeker

Draft pick value blah blah blah

The ONLY value in a draft pick is what the player does for your team. All these arbitrary numbers you keep spitting out mean absolutely NOTHING. It's a second and a conditional third ... NOT A FIRST ... jfc

Beeker · 03-25-2013, 09:41 PM

Beeker · 03-25-2013, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I'm betting the next college football game you watch will be your first.

I'm also betting you have Mel Kiper fathead hanging on yourf wall.

I'm betting you have not a single clue as to anything about me other than your fat mouth running off.

And, have a nice day!

Beeker · 03-25-2013, 09:47 PM

Beeker · 03-25-2013, 09:47 PM

Ebolapox · 03-25-2013, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Beeker

double post

double the post, double the reerun!

Beeker · 03-25-2013, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ebolapox

double the post, double the reerun!

Oops ... I fixed it ... oh well

ayleswbj · 03-26-2013, 01:15 AM

This years QB class is weak and a total waste of a pick. Grab them in the late rounds, wait for next years Elite class. If all of the Chiefs fans think Alex is so bad then you will have a choice at the Cream of the Crop next season. Not one QB this year could even carry these guys jocks straps on the field. Including GENO!!

mcan · 03-26-2013, 03:45 AM

I'm hoping Alex can win us 10 games, and push Denver while throwing a 2:1 or better TD:INT ratio and keep his rating in the high 80s. Lets say something akin to Eli's numbers from last year.

321 for 536 (33 att/game sounds a tad low for Reid)
59.9 completion % (modest, but attainable goal)
3948 yards (won't crack the top 10, but paired with a jamaal...)
26 TD: 15 INT (I think it's reasonable to put 30 up as a goal)
87.2 QB rating (Not top 10, but for KC it would be a breath of fresh air)
19 sacks (this would be incredible)

I think those numbers are attainable and if our oline plays as well as that last number would indicate then its safe to assume that we are really firing as an offense and our run game is complementing nicely, keeping those rush ends honest. Playoffs would be possible. Manning put up these numbers with a middle of the pack rush offense and found 9 wins. I think we'd be capable of putting up MUCH better rushing numbers, so 10 or 11 wins would be conceivable. Denver may go 13-3 though, so... Wildcard or bust.

patteeu · 03-26-2013, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

This decade. IE Years after the rules committee totally slanted the game in favor of passing offense.

a) You didn't say this decade and Brad freaking Johnson wasn't this decade so don't move the goal posts.

b) It's way too early to talk about this decade. We don't know if people like Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick, and Andy Dalton will pan out or not.

Katie · 03-26-2013, 09:23 AM

I don't know if we'll win a play off game. We couldn't do that with a good QB, but I do think we have a winning record.

03-23-2013, 03:29 PM
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03-26-2013, 01:15 AM	#447
ayleswbj Starter Join Date: Mar 2013 Casino cash: $10005287	This years QB class is weak and a total waste of a pick. Grab them in the late rounds, wait for next years Elite class. If all of the Chiefs fans think Alex is so bad then you will have a choice at the Cream of the Crop next season. Not one QB this year could even carry these guys jocks straps on the field. Including GENO!! Last edited by ayleswbj; 03-26-2013 at 06:00 AM..
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03-26-2013, 03:45 AM	#448
mcan Apr 13,1949 – Dec 15, 2011 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $9996085	I'm hoping Alex can win us 10 games, and push Denver while throwing a 2:1 or better TD:INT ratio and keep his rating in the high 80s. Lets say something akin to Eli's numbers from last year. 321 for 536 (33 att/game sounds a tad low for Reid) 59.9 completion % (modest, but attainable goal) 3948 yards (won't crack the top 10, but paired with a jamaal...) 26 TD: 15 INT (I think it's reasonable to put 30 up as a goal) 87.2 QB rating (Not top 10, but for KC it would be a breath of fresh air) 19 sacks (this would be incredible) I think those numbers are attainable and if our oline plays as well as that last number would indicate then its safe to assume that we are really firing as an offense and our run game is complementing nicely, keeping those rush ends honest. Playoffs would be possible. Manning put up these numbers with a middle of the pack rush offense and found 9 wins. I think we'd be capable of putting up MUCH better rushing numbers, so 10 or 11 wins would be conceivable. Denver may go 13-3 though, so... Wildcard or bust.
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03-26-2013, 09:23 AM	#450
Katie Starter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Home of the Braves Casino cash: $5755011	I don't know if we'll win a play off game. We couldn't do that with a good QB, but I do think we have a winning record. __________________ "Losers quit when their tired. Winners quit when the game is won."
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