Movies and TV The Official "Lost" the series discussion - Page 384

Deberg_1990 · 10-06-2004, 04:29 PM

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

**kysirsoze** · 05-25-2010, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Silock

The fans were trying to figure it out because it was constantly being brought up as part of the characters' experiences. I still don't understand completely understand many characters, like Charles Widmore, for instance. His character was completely wrapped up in the numbers and puzzles of the island, yet nothing was explained. The lead Dharma scientist was at the concert at the end, yet . . . what was he doing there? Eloise and her different roles. Danielle Rousseau and the science teams... the list goes on and on.

I'm with you on the Widmore thing. He could have used a slightly clearer motivation. Eloise as well. Her connection to the same time/space bending power that Jacob seemed to have was a little difficult to explain. Overall, though, I expected to be left with questions.

Back to the focus of the show, in that way I think the fans were taken on the same ride as the LOSTies. We all got wrapped up in the mystery of the island but along the way we became deeply invested in these characters and their lives. Finally we find out that was the point all along, just as the characters did. It didn't feel like a cop-out to me because they had invested so much time in developing these characters. I really cared about how they ended up and I was glad that was the focus rather than trying to explain every little oddity on the island.

Silock · 05-25-2010, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

I'm with you on the Widmore thing. He could have used a slightly clearer motivation. Eloise as well. Her connection to the same time/space bending power that Jacob seemed to have was a little difficult to explain. Overall, though, I expected to be left with questions.

Back to the focus of the show, in that way I think the fans were taken on the same ride as the LOSTies. We all got wrapped up in the mystery of the island but along the way we became deeply invested in these characters and their lives. Finally we find out that was the point all along, just as the characters did. It didn't feel like a cop-out to me because they had invested so much time in developing these characters. I really cared about how they ended up and I was glad that was the focus rather than trying to explain every little oddity on the island.

I am glad they did, too... I just would have preferred both.

**Baby Lee** · 05-25-2010, 03:18 AM

Kiddies, Dane has dropped in to demonstrate a textbook case of Begging the Question, that's Begging the Question, write it down, it'll be on the final.

PhillyChiefFan · 05-25-2010, 06:54 AM

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion mine is this:

If they ALL died when the plane crashed, then Jack had ONE HELL of an imagination, to imagine all the people, the relationships, friendships, emotions, and memories that everyone else on the island had.

In my mind, if it had been JUST about Jack, why the backstories of everyone else on the island? Why dedicate entire episodes to other people on the island? I believe they had been dead all season, only part of the island sank (you can see portions of it falling off and into the ocean in the finale.) I loved the finale, I think they did the best they could with what they had.

Maybe this was the case maybe not, but it doesn't make sense to me. Not saying the opposing opinion is wrong, just different from mine. I think in the end, it was a question posed to the audience, are you a person of faith or a person of science.

Can you look at the show for the value of faith vs. your tendency for needing concrete facts and evidence, or can you just believe and let go? That's what I took from it, and that's why I loved it.

Mile High Mania · 05-25-2010, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan

I think in the end, it was a question posed to the audience, are you a person of faith or a person of science.

Can you look at the show for the value of faith vs. your tendency for needing concrete facts and evidence, or can you just believe and let go? That's what I took from it, and that's why I loved it.

Nice.

PhillyChiefFan · 05-25-2010, 06:58 AM

Also, some of the problems people are upset about (i.e. Walt and Mr. Eko) are about more than just the plotline.

The actor who portrayed Eko wanted a sh*tton of money for this one episode, and the producers didn't want to give it to him. Walt grew up too much to be plausible for the short timeline involved on the island, and grew less germaine to the plotline because of it.

Chiefnj2 · 05-25-2010, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze

I disagree about the show's focus. I think it was always focused on the characters. It's the fans that focused on the numbers, hatches, etc. Sure the characters were trying to figure this stuff out, but IMO it was more about their struggle. That may sound like revisionist history but there it is.

I agree that the show was at least a season or two too long. I enjoyed it along the way, but they could have seriously trimmed the fat and made an even more amazing 4 season show.

That's a crock of crap. It's the fans that focused on the numbers? Really, why would that be? Maybe, just maybe, because the writers made it a focal point at times - mental guy repeating numbers, winning lottery numbers, radio tower transmission and at other times hid the numbers everywhere -license plates, vaccine numbers, hotel floor numbers, room numbers, etc. Fans focused on what the writers wanted them to focus on at the time. Fans didn't invent crap for the sake of it.

Deberg_1990 · 05-25-2010, 07:55 AM

119 things Lost did (and didn't) answer

http://scifiwire.com/2010/05/all-the...-and-quest.php

22. Where is Walt and why is he important? Apparently he's not all that important. He didn't show up in the finale. ("The End")

tymania · 05-25-2010, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

119 things Lost did (and didn't) answer

http://scifiwire.com/2010/05/all-the...-and-quest.php

22. Where is Walt and why is he important? Apparently he's not all that important. He didn't show up in the finale. ("The End")

117. Who is David's mother? Juliet, but who's David? ("The End")

WHO IS DAVID? ANYONE?

Huffmeister · 05-25-2010, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by tymania

117. Who is David's mother? Juliet, but who's David? ("The End")

WHO IS DAVID? ANYONE?

David is the manifestation of Jack's desire to be a better father than Christian. During his life, Jack always struggled with "daddy issues". In purgatory, he conjured up David to help him overcome those issues so that he could let go. David never existed in the "real world".

Huffmeister · 05-25-2010, 08:38 AM

Here are my McLost theories:

1) Dane jumped to a conclusion without really thinking about the piles of evidence, and his ego now forces him to commit to the "everyone's dead" theory rather than admit that he was initially wrong.

2) Dane is yanking everyone's chain.

I'm leaning towards #2.

tymania · 05-25-2010, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Cankerskull

David is the manifestation of Jack's desire to be a better father than Christian. During his life, Jack always struggled with "daddy issues". In purgatory, he conjured up David to help him overcome those issues so that he could let go. David never existed in the "real world".

okay that is what i kind of figured but wasnt sure.. too much has unfolded in the last few episodes, still trying to get my head around it

patteeu · 05-25-2010, 08:45 AM

I thought the finale was adequately satisfying, particularly since I'd already realized that there wasn't enough time left to resolve all the mysteries that had been created in the first few seasons. But imagine how much better it could have been if those mysteries had actually had payoffs in addition to the satisfying character arcs contained in the series. Lost was great television, but it could have been even better. Someone should take inspiration from Lost's success and build on it with an even tighter epic mystery series with major character development.

Deberg_1990 · 05-25-2010, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

Lost was great television, but it could have been even better. Someone should take inspiration from Lost's success and build on it with an even tighter epic mystery series with major character development.

agreed

Chiefnj2 · 05-25-2010, 08:57 AM

What happened to Nadia? You know, the woman who meant everything in the world to Sayid. The woman he was willing to sell his soul for. He spends eternity with Shannon but not her?

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05-25-2010, 03:18 AM	#5748
Baby Lee Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $6838598	Kiddies, Dane has dropped in to demonstrate a textbook case of Begging the Question, that's Begging the Question, write it down, it'll be on the final. __________________ We need the kind of courage that can withstand the subtle corruption of the cynics - E.W.
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05-25-2010, 06:54 AM	#5749
PhillyChiefFan Veteran Join Date: May 2007 Location: Harrisburg, PA Casino cash: $4591139	Everyone is entitled to their own opinion mine is this: If they ALL died when the plane crashed, then Jack had ONE HELL of an imagination, to imagine all the people, the relationships, friendships, emotions, and memories that everyone else on the island had. In my mind, if it had been JUST about Jack, why the backstories of everyone else on the island? Why dedicate entire episodes to other people on the island? I believe they had been dead all season, only part of the island sank (you can see portions of it falling off and into the ocean in the finale.) I loved the finale, I think they did the best they could with what they had. Maybe this was the case maybe not, but it doesn't make sense to me. Not saying the opposing opinion is wrong, just different from mine. I think in the end, it was a question posed to the audience, are you a person of faith or a person of science. Can you look at the show for the value of faith vs. your tendency for needing concrete facts and evidence, or can you just believe and let go? That's what I took from it, and that's why I loved it.
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05-25-2010, 06:58 AM	#5751
PhillyChiefFan Veteran Join Date: May 2007 Location: Harrisburg, PA Casino cash: $4591139	Also, some of the problems people are upset about (i.e. Walt and Mr. Eko) are about more than just the plotline. The actor who portrayed Eko wanted a sh*tton of money for this one episode, and the producers didn't want to give it to him. Walt grew up too much to be plausible for the short timeline involved on the island, and grew less germaine to the plotline because of it.
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05-25-2010, 07:55 AM	#5753
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3914454	119 things Lost did (and didn't) answer http://scifiwire.com/2010/05/all-the...-and-quest.php 22. Where is Walt and why is he important? Apparently he's not all that important. He didn't show up in the finale. ("The End")
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05-25-2010, 08:38 AM	#5756
Huffmeister Veteran Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $9904277	Here are my McLost theories: 1) Dane jumped to a conclusion without really thinking about the piles of evidence, and his ego now forces him to commit to the "everyone's dead" theory rather than admit that he was initially wrong. 2) Dane is yanking everyone's chain. I'm leaning towards #2.
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05-25-2010, 08:45 AM	#5758
patteeu The 23rd Pillar Join Date: Sep 2002 Casino cash: $10019237	I thought the finale was adequately satisfying, particularly since I'd already realized that there wasn't enough time left to resolve all the mysteries that had been created in the first few seasons. But imagine how much better it could have been if those mysteries had actually had payoffs in addition to the satisfying character arcs contained in the series. Lost was great television, but it could have been even better. Someone should take inspiration from Lost's success and build on it with an even tighter epic mystery series with major character development. __________________ “Boy, you all want power. God, I hope you never get it.” - Lindsay Graham
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05-25-2010, 08:57 AM	#5760
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7903688	What happened to Nadia? You know, the woman who meant everything in the world to Sayid. The woman he was willing to sell his soul for. He spends eternity with Shannon but not her? __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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