Football Expectations and Alex Smith - Page 27

keg in kc · 03-23-2013, 03:29 PM

Just curious. Inspired by the ongoing thread about "Geno fan" expectations, and I'm curious what the thinking is on the other side of the fence. What do people expect out of Alex Smith over the next, let's say, 2-5 years? Specifics, even, yardage and TDs, wins and losses, offensive rankings, etc. This is not a thread with an agenda, I'm genuinely curious what people think, so let's try to keep this from turning into snipe thread #368.

keg in kc · 03-25-2013, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Wylie won't make it out of camp, so in essence the '13 Chiefs are only a few steps above the '01 Chiefs. They're head and shoulders better at RB, a wash or worse at FB, better at WR1, wash at WR2, "technically" worse at TE, wash at OL, and it's yet to be determined if QB1 is better in '13 than '01.

I would say head and shoulders better at RB 1-3, head and shoulders better at both WR1 and WR2, wash or worse at OL. TE is the only position where they're clearly less.

There's not really any point in comparing the QBs because the whole idea behind my post was to discuss the tools that Alex Smith has as opposed to the ones that Trent Green had. People have suggested that he should get a throwaway year because the situation is perceived to be somehow similar 2001, when in reality it's not even remotely close to 2001.

We can go on to talk about the defensive lineup if you want. That's even more lopsided than the offensive discussion.

keg in kc · 03-25-2013, 11:35 AM

The idea that a 2nd round pick has no value because we always draft poorly in the second round is an utterly defeatist way of looking at things. How can one be so optimistic about the team's chances on one hand, then turn around and express that kind of Eeyore philosophy?

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-25-2013, 11:37 AM

Unless he totally sucks ass, the team has no excuse not to win 10 games.

**Mav** · 03-25-2013, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

The idea that a 2nd round pick has no value because we always draft poorly in the second round is an utterly defeatist way of looking at things. How can one be so optimistic about the team's chances on one hand, then turn around and express that kind of Eeyore philosophy?

I for one agree with your post, but I also dont think that your second round pick this year was wasted. Just like I dont think that Cleveland wasted their second rounder this year, by picking up josh gordon last year. The point is that I think a majority of the time, a proven player is worth more than a pick a majority of the times. Some times it can blow up in your face, like it has with the Raiders with palmer, but for the VALUE of the pick, what the raiders gave up to get Richard Seymour, was fair value......

It will take two or three years to see if the chiefs over paid, or underpaid for alex smith. If he gives you two years of winning football, and leaves the chief with a qbotf, then it was absolutely worth and prolly you got off winning in the trade.

If you have a 5-11 season this year, you grossly overpaid because a rookie could of had the same if not better results. Far too soon for people to be this pissed about this trade.

**Mav** · 03-25-2013, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Unless he totally sucks ass, the team has no excuse not to win 10 games.

completely agree. There arent a ton of glaring holes on this team right now.

ON PAPER THAT IS.

**loochy** · 03-25-2013, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Unless he totally sucks ass, the team has no excuse not to win 10 games.

**Predarat** · 03-25-2013, 12:15 PM

I expect him to suck. Not as bad as cAssHole, but not as good as Trent Green. Perhaps a bit better the Elvis Grbac but not as good as Rich Gannon. Not as tough as DeBerg but not a brittle as Blackledge.

Ebolapox · 03-25-2013, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

Have you looked at our second round picks the last 10 years? Which one was a first round talent?

You can't make a second round pick into a first round by talking about an unknown player that hasn't even been drafted yet. You are making that pick a first round talent when it could just as easily be a bust. The fact that you think you need to exaggerate to make your point says more about you than anything.

brandon flowers. idiot. I should point out that the second rounder we give up this year is HIGHER in the second rounder than the pick that flowers was picked with.

Ebolapox · 03-25-2013, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ebolapox

brandon flowers. idiot. I should point out that the second rounder we give up this year is HIGHER in the second rounder than the pick that flowers was picked with.

nobody was mocking him in the first round is what he'll likely say... to which I present this link

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/nflmockdraft.html

yes. he absolutely WAS a first round talent that fell to the second round.

keg in kc · 03-25-2013, 01:10 PM

Flowers was very similar to Brees in that an inch or two of height and he's gone much ealier.

Sorter · 03-25-2013, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Unless he totally sucks ass, the team has no excuse not to win 10 games.

I think KC loses to Donks 2X, Houston, Indy, Dallas, NYG, Washington.

Probably split with Oakland and SD, win against Jacksonville.

Cleveland, Buffalo, Philly Tennessee are all toss ups IMO.

IMO, this team would be lucky to be 8-8.

Pasta Little Brioni · 03-25-2013, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ponderception

I think KC loses to Donks 2X, Houston, Indy, Dallas, NYG, Washington.

Probably split with Oakland and SD, win against Jacksonville.

Cleveland, Buffalo, Philly Tennessee are all toss ups IMO.

IMO, this team would be lucky to be 8-8.

Sorry. If they are giving up those kind of picks for a vet QB, I expect better than conceding games already to meh teams like Indy, Dallas, and Wash. Not saying I think they'll win that many, but those should be our expectations with that move. If Alex is the turd many think he is, they'll win 8 or less.

**BigMeatballDave** · 03-25-2013, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ponderception

I think KC loses to Donks 2X, Houston, Indy, Dallas, NYG, Washington.

Probably split with Oakland and SD, win against Jacksonville.

Cleveland, Buffalo, Philly Tennessee are all toss ups IMO.

IMO, this team would be lucky to be 8-8.

I think people are forgetting a huge reason why the offense was SO bad last year, other than overall QB play, was the amount of turnovers.

Cutting that in half last season wins them 6 or 7.

9-10 wins is not a stretch.

**BigMeatballDave** · 03-25-2013, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by loochy

I love her.

ChiefsCountry · 03-25-2013, 01:58 PM

8-8. That's all the Chiefs want, so why should I want anymore.

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keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	The idea that a 2nd round pick has no value because we always draft poorly in the second round is an utterly defeatist way of looking at things. How can one be so optimistic about the team's chances on one hand, then turn around and express that kind of Eeyore philosophy?
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