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Old 05-11-2018, 07:18 AM  
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The "Nones" Now Outnumber White Evangelicals

Americans With No Religion Greatly Outnumber White Evangelicals



It’s relatively well-known that the portion of the U.S. population with no religious affiliation has been steadily increasing recently. And for those paying attention to research, it’s also been obvious for a while that conservative evangelicals were beginning to lose “market share” after years of mocking their mainline Protestant cousins of “dying” because of insufficiently rigorous theology and moral strictures.

But now comes a new set of data from years of polling by ABC News and the Washington Post that puts these trends together in a way that might bust some old preconceptions. Between 2003 and 2017, the percentage of adult Americans professing “no religion” grew from 12 percent to 21 percent. And at the same time, the portion of the population made up by white evangelicals dropped from 21 percent to 13 percent. Indeed, the white evangelical population dropped even faster than the white non-evangelical population (which shrank from 17 percent to 11 percent), and the two groups are converging in size.

Among younger Americans, the trends are even starker. In 2003, only 19 percent of adults under 30 professed “no religion.” That percent rose to 35 percent in 2017. That’s compared to only 22 percent who identify with any sort of Protestantism.

When you consider the political power of the different types of believer and unbelievers, these numbers are hard to credit. Recently four members of the U.S. House of Representatives formed a “Freethought Caucus,” dedicated, among other things, to defense of “atheists, agnostics, humanists, seekers, religious and nonreligious persons” against discrimination. Yet those white conservative evangelicals who are now significantly outnumbered by the “nonreligious” have one of the two major political parties catering to them relentlessly; they are also uniformly thought to represent the political “base” for the president of the United States.

If the irreligious ever get serious about flexing their muscles politically, a lot could change in this country, particularly on church-state separation issues. In the meantime, white evangelicals need to get a more realistic sense of their own trajectory, and stop lording it over other people of faith who share their less-than-robust membership trends.

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Old 05-11-2018, 07:28 AM   #2
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We keep talking about the ambiguity of surveying "evangelicals", but it's not hard to believe the "nones" are growing. The mainline protestant denominations that liberalized have been shrinking precipitously for some time and almost all those people go to "none".

My belief, observationally, is that "nones" are definitely the fastest growing group, and that the rate at which catholicism and liberal protestant denominations are shedding members is accelerating. Most of those congregations are elderly today, and many will be totally gone in 20 years.

But conservative or "evangelical" congregations are not shrinking, they are generally still growing. There are a lot of reasons why the market share might be going down, immigration is a primary factor there IMO, because most immigrants to the US seem to be Catholics or Muslims. But I don't think there are fewer conservative evangelicals than there were 20 years ago, there are more.

As the political climate becomes more hostile to religion, nominals who don't want to be maligned will disassociate, but those who are fervent will align more closely together. The most notable trend that I think has been happening in the last 10 years in evangelicalism is people moving from (generally orthodox but) moderate evangelical congregations to more conservative ones.

It's a lot like the rest of the climate in this country, more polarization, the collection of most everyone at either end of the spectrum with very few people anywhere in between the trenches.
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Old 05-11-2018, 10:40 AM   #3
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We keep talking about the ambiguity of surveying "evangelicals", but it's not hard to believe the "nones" are growing. The mainline protestant denominations that liberalized have been shrinking precipitously for some time and almost all those people go to "none".

My belief, observationally, is that "nones" are definitely the fastest growing group, and that the rate at which catholicism and liberal protestant denominations are shedding members is accelerating. Most of those congregations are elderly today, and many will be totally gone in 20 years.

But conservative or "evangelical" congregations are not shrinking, they are generally still growing. There are a lot of reasons why the market share might be going down, immigration is a primary factor there IMO, because most immigrants to the US seem to be Catholics or Muslims. But I don't think there are fewer conservative evangelicals than there were 20 years ago, there are more.

As the political climate becomes more hostile to religion, nominals who don't want to be maligned will disassociate, but those who are fervent will align more closely together. The most notable trend that I think has been happening in the last 10 years in evangelicalism is people moving from (generally orthodox but) moderate evangelical congregations to more conservative ones.

It's a lot like the rest of the climate in this country, more polarization, the collection of most everyone at either end of the spectrum with very few people anywhere in between the trenches.
From what I understand the liberal denominations are shrinking. And the hard line denominations are growing. But just because they're showing growth doesn't mean that it's at that high of a rate. Not enough to cover the loss by liberal congregations. I'd have to think that if the only churches that are growing are the ones that conformity is all but mandatory, that recruitment would have to be down. It's not allowed to just be something that's apart of your life and who you are, but it's a lifestyle now, and becoming an alternative one
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Old 05-11-2018, 11:13 AM   #4
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We keep talking about the ambiguity of surveying "evangelicals", but it's not hard to believe the "nones" are growing. The mainline protestant denominations that liberalized have been shrinking precipitously for some time and almost all those people go to "none".

My belief, observationally, is that "nones" are definitely the fastest growing group, and that the rate at which catholicism and liberal protestant denominations are shedding members is accelerating. Most of those congregations are elderly today, and many will be totally gone in 20 years.

But conservative or "evangelical" congregations are not shrinking, they are generally still growing. There are a lot of reasons why the market share might be going down, immigration is a primary factor there IMO, because most immigrants to the US seem to be Catholics or Muslims. But I don't think there are fewer conservative evangelicals than there were 20 years ago, there are more.

As the political climate becomes more hostile to religion, nominals who don't want to be maligned will disassociate, but those who are fervent will align more closely together. The most notable trend that I think has been happening in the last 10 years in evangelicalism is people moving from (generally orthodox but) moderate evangelical congregations to more conservative ones.

It's a lot like the rest of the climate in this country, more polarization, the collection of most everyone at either end of the spectrum with very few people anywhere in between the trenches.
I just don't see this hostility towards religion. What I am seeing is hostility towards public subjugation to religious practices. If people don't want to bow their heads and pray at public events, or the bible being declared as the state book and other crappy religiously motived statutes, there wouldn't be such pushback.
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I just don't see this hostility towards religion. What I am seeing is hostility towards public subjugation to religious practices. If people don't want to bow their heads and pray at public events, or the bible being declared as the state book and other crappy religiously motived statutes, there wouldn't be such pushback.
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I just don't see this hostility towards religion. What I am seeing is hostility towards public subjugation to religious practices. If people don't want to bow their heads and pray at public events, or the bible being declared as the state book and other crappy religiously motived statutes, there wouldn't be such pushback.
People being forced to bow their heads or read the Bible?
Where?
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From what I understand the liberal denominations are shrinking. And the hard line denominations are growing. But just because they're showing growth doesn't mean that it's at that high of a rate. Not enough to cover the loss by liberal congregations. I'd have to think that if the only churches that are growing are the ones that conformity is all but mandatory, that recruitment would have to be down. It's not allowed to just be something that's apart of your life and who you are, but it's a lifestyle now, and becoming an alternative one
From what I see there are two major movements going on, and those are nominal Christians moving out of Catholicism and the mainline Protestant congregations to the "none" category, and the devout moving from those two conventions into evangelical congregations.

In the Roman church they are being replaced by hispanics and other immigrant populations and that's stemming the tide in a lot of places, but it's more or less at the point where if you see a protestant church running a building campaign or one where cars are parking in the grass every Sunday, you have a pretty good idea that they are doctrinally orthodox, because those that are not are disappearing.
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From what I see there are two major movements going on, and those are nominal Christians moving out of Catholicism and the mainline Protestant congregations to the "none" category, and the devout moving from those two conventions into evangelical congregations.

In the Roman church they are being replaced by hispanics and other immigrant populations and that's stemming the tide in a lot of places, but it's more or less at the point where if you see a protestant church running a building campaign or one where cars are parking in the grass every Sunday, you have a pretty good idea that they are doctrinally orthodox, because those that are not are disappearing.
Church also helped people find a group they could belong to, which is now replaced by social media, gyms, and other outlets.
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People being forced to bow their heads or read the Bible?
Where?
I shouldn't have to explain "now let's bow our heads and pray" and various events or gatherings completely unrelated to a religious gathering, but there ya go. I was at a nursing awards ceremony and we were asked to bow our heads in prayer.

As for the Bible being an official book, just Google Tennessee, and it's lawmakers attempting to make the bible their official book.
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I shouldn't have to explain "now let's bow our heads and pray" and various events or gatherings completely unrelated to a religious gathering, but there ya go. I was at a nursing awards ceremony and we were asked to bow our heads in prayer.

As for the Bible being an official book, just Google Tennessee, and it's lawmakers attempting to make the bible their official book.
Did someone grab your neck and force you to bow your head?
Are people being forced to read or even own a bible?
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Did someone grab your neck and force you to bow your head?
Are people being forced to read or even own a bible?
No, but if you are going to include a prayer to a culturally diverse audience of nurses, your ****ing prayer shouldn't start with "almighty Yahwe". Everything does not revolve around your special little book.
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Its almost like this has followed the trend in the drop in morality in this country.
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No, but if you are going to include a prayer to a culturally diverse audience of nurses, your ****ing prayer shouldn't start with "almighty Yahwe". Everything does not revolve around your special little book.
So you concede nobody is forced to participate.
Your issue then is not that religion is present but that not enough religions are represented?
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So you concede nobody is forced to participate.
Your issue then is not that religion is present but that not enough religions are represented?
Religion does not need to be inappropriately woven into public gatherings that are non religious in nature, and that goes double when a specific religion is being showcased. Pray all you want, but don't make it a part of the process when you have non believers and other religions present. No one is asked to throw out their prayer mats, and to hail satan during this time, why does Christianity get their own section carved out?
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