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Old 05-11-2018, 07:18 AM  
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The "Nones" Now Outnumber White Evangelicals

Americans With No Religion Greatly Outnumber White Evangelicals



It’s relatively well-known that the portion of the U.S. population with no religious affiliation has been steadily increasing recently. And for those paying attention to research, it’s also been obvious for a while that conservative evangelicals were beginning to lose “market share” after years of mocking their mainline Protestant cousins of “dying” because of insufficiently rigorous theology and moral strictures.

But now comes a new set of data from years of polling by ABC News and the Washington Post that puts these trends together in a way that might bust some old preconceptions. Between 2003 and 2017, the percentage of adult Americans professing “no religion” grew from 12 percent to 21 percent. And at the same time, the portion of the population made up by white evangelicals dropped from 21 percent to 13 percent. Indeed, the white evangelical population dropped even faster than the white non-evangelical population (which shrank from 17 percent to 11 percent), and the two groups are converging in size.

Among younger Americans, the trends are even starker. In 2003, only 19 percent of adults under 30 professed “no religion.” That percent rose to 35 percent in 2017. That’s compared to only 22 percent who identify with any sort of Protestantism.

When you consider the political power of the different types of believer and unbelievers, these numbers are hard to credit. Recently four members of the U.S. House of Representatives formed a “Freethought Caucus,” dedicated, among other things, to defense of “atheists, agnostics, humanists, seekers, religious and nonreligious persons” against discrimination. Yet those white conservative evangelicals who are now significantly outnumbered by the “nonreligious” have one of the two major political parties catering to them relentlessly; they are also uniformly thought to represent the political “base” for the president of the United States.

If the irreligious ever get serious about flexing their muscles politically, a lot could change in this country, particularly on church-state separation issues. In the meantime, white evangelicals need to get a more realistic sense of their own trajectory, and stop lording it over other people of faith who share their less-than-robust membership trends.

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Old 05-11-2018, 02:52 PM   #31
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I'd say that is one of the major reasons that divorces are down. Great morals.... It's a perfect comparison of a generations morality (or rather lack of).
Sorry, my comment was solely looking at the divorce rate is not a great comparison.
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Old 05-11-2018, 02:57 PM   #32
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I'd say that is one of the major reasons that divorces are down. Great morals.... It's a perfect comparison of a generations morality (or rather lack of).
This is a pretty good article on the subject.


https://sojo.net/articles/generation...thers-morality

I am not about to get into a stupid debate with the resident liberals about the degradation of morality as it will be a complete waste of time.
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Old 05-11-2018, 03:08 PM   #33
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This is a pretty good article on the subject.


https://sojo.net/articles/generation...thers-morality

I am not about to get into a stupid debate with the resident liberals about the degradation of morality as it will be a complete waste of time.
Because society is less judgemental, we are less moral? I think the bible would like a word about that:

Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed. ...
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Because society is less judgemental, we are less moral? I think the bible would like a word about that:
Look dude spare me the bullshit. If you want to know how morality has decreased in our society all you have to do is look at whats acceptable in mainstream music and television.

Just look at the number of abortions performed DAILY.


I'm done with the topic.
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Old 05-11-2018, 03:51 PM   #35
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This is a pretty good article on the subject.


https://sojo.net/articles/generation...thers-morality

I am not about to get into a stupid debate with the resident liberals about the degradation of morality as it will be a complete waste of time.

Very good article. Thanks. It is sometimes easy for me to forget that I am communicating with folks that are a great deal younger than I am. I've had the same problem, from time to time, with my own children and now - with Grand children

I have stated this hundreds of times in the past - but this (today) is NOT the country I grew up in. But no worries - my Parents said the same thing.

However, I do like to point to an old Philosopher by the name of Santayana who stated: "Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it".

So, to those who wish to throw off the shackles of the old - remember this: You, too, will be old one day.
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Old 05-11-2018, 03:52 PM   #36
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Look dude spare me the bullshit. If you want to know how morality has decreased in our society all you have to do is look at whats acceptable in mainstream music and television.

Just look at the number of abortions performed DAILY.


I'm done with the topic.


Indeed. An estimated two generations of young people who will never see life. Hell, Hitler didn't kill as many people as planned parenthood has. Disgraceful.
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Old 05-11-2018, 04:06 PM   #37
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Because society is less judgemental, we are less moral?
Technically this is correct. Taken to its logical extreme, if no one judged anyone on anything no one would be moral: morality wouldn’t exist. Of course what this fails to tackle is the issue of if the moral laws were ever “correct” in the first place. Clearly society has deemed some of the morals “incorrect” and that has good repercussions and bad repercussions like most morally ambiguous arguments do.
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I think not only is society less judgmental, it is also much more tolerant/ambivalent of dumbassery than decades ago.
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I think not only is society less judgmental, it is also much more tolerant/ambivalent of dumbassery than decades ago.
Going by our tolerance of stupid shit our elected officials spout off, I would agree.
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Indeed. An estimated two generations of young people who will never see life. Hell, Hitler didn't kill as many people as planned parenthood has. Disgraceful.
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I mean if decreased rates of marriage and increased rates of children out of wedlock are your barometer for morality, we probably shouldn't touch some of the civil rights atrocities committed during the 50's and prior.

It's not and you ain't. But yeah, you're right. Its a damned shame that you weren't alive back in the 50s and 60s. You could have probably stopped all those "atrocities"
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Because society is less judgemental, we are less moral? I think the bible would like a word about that:

Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed. ...
So you don't use judgement?

IF a convicted pedophile moved in next door you wouldn't make a judgement and keep your kids away from him?

People who condemn 'judgement' might be the most clueless people on earth. It makes no sense. Judging others is how every single human navigates the social landscape.

To not make moral judgements is to be a moral relativist. Are you a moral relativist?
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Of course marriage rates are down and children out of wedlock is up. So not really sure it is a great basis to compare generations morality.
So are murder rates, theft rates...

I view morality more as how you treat others and less who you have sex with, what positions you use, ect.

But, you know... that's just me.
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So you don't use judgement?

IF a convicted pedophile moved in next door you wouldn't make a judgement and keep your kids away from him?

People who condemn 'judgement' might be the most clueless people on earth. It makes no sense. Judging others is how every single human navigates the social landscape.

To not make moral judgements is to be a moral relativist. Are you a moral relativist?
Sure, I'll judge someone who who is a pedophile. I won't however judge homosexuals, potheads, nonbelievers, those who believe is whatever religion they chose, those who swear, those who like rap music, or any other past time that doesn't infringe on what anyone else is doing.
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