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Old 05-11-2018, 07:18 AM  
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The "Nones" Now Outnumber White Evangelicals

Americans With No Religion Greatly Outnumber White Evangelicals



It’s relatively well-known that the portion of the U.S. population with no religious affiliation has been steadily increasing recently. And for those paying attention to research, it’s also been obvious for a while that conservative evangelicals were beginning to lose “market share” after years of mocking their mainline Protestant cousins of “dying” because of insufficiently rigorous theology and moral strictures.

But now comes a new set of data from years of polling by ABC News and the Washington Post that puts these trends together in a way that might bust some old preconceptions. Between 2003 and 2017, the percentage of adult Americans professing “no religion” grew from 12 percent to 21 percent. And at the same time, the portion of the population made up by white evangelicals dropped from 21 percent to 13 percent. Indeed, the white evangelical population dropped even faster than the white non-evangelical population (which shrank from 17 percent to 11 percent), and the two groups are converging in size.

Among younger Americans, the trends are even starker. In 2003, only 19 percent of adults under 30 professed “no religion.” That percent rose to 35 percent in 2017. That’s compared to only 22 percent who identify with any sort of Protestantism.

When you consider the political power of the different types of believer and unbelievers, these numbers are hard to credit. Recently four members of the U.S. House of Representatives formed a “Freethought Caucus,” dedicated, among other things, to defense of “atheists, agnostics, humanists, seekers, religious and nonreligious persons” against discrimination. Yet those white conservative evangelicals who are now significantly outnumbered by the “nonreligious” have one of the two major political parties catering to them relentlessly; they are also uniformly thought to represent the political “base” for the president of the United States.

If the irreligious ever get serious about flexing their muscles politically, a lot could change in this country, particularly on church-state separation issues. In the meantime, white evangelicals need to get a more realistic sense of their own trajectory, and stop lording it over other people of faith who share their less-than-robust membership trends.

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Old 05-12-2018, 10:58 AM   #46
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Its almost like this has followed the trend in the drop in morality in this country.
No, Trump has always been like that.
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Old 05-12-2018, 06:23 PM   #47
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Because society is less judgemental, we are less moral? I think the bible would like a word about that:

Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed. ...
it's so disheartening when the non believers trot out verses they have no clue
about...but hey, it's true now, right?

got bad news, the law applies to you, not those who are saved.
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Old 05-12-2018, 06:25 PM   #48
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Just look at the number of abortions performed DAILY.

no man, killing eight hundred black babies a day is just "healthcare"
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I mean the decent thing to do is not include activities that alienate people. This thread is about the growing number of nonbelievers. So by holding an invocation for a group that statistically has more people than not who do not practice your religion, it's just awkward. It's certainly not 1% you are accommodating, and people definitely wouldn't give a shit if you stopped waxing poetic about Yahweh at these gatherings.
...it already exists, it's called the Church of the Laodiceans.


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Personally I think a lot of it is built around the idea that most fundamentalist type churches teach the bible as final authority, and people struggle with the idea of a book with so many contradictions and scientific errors (it's thousands of years old, of course we have a different understanding of science today). It's hard to believe God put men into a trance and they wrote this stuff down and somehow this book is like an instruction manual God gives us to get to heaven - when it contradicts itself.
God didn't put people in trances to write the Bible, that's a false narrative.

"God isn't going to reveal Himself to "you" when "you" are basically calling him a liar.

Instruction manual to get to Heaven? not in a million years.... it's not about what any of us do(works) rather what Christ did for us.
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Old 05-12-2018, 10:47 PM   #51
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God didn't put people in trances to write the Bible, that's a false narrative.

"God isn't going to reveal Himself to "you" when "you" are basically calling him a liar.

Instruction manual to get to Heaven? not in a million years.... it's not about what any of us do(works) rather what Christ did for us.
Exactly.

I don't know why people assume christianity is a works based religion. That's judaism. You don't have to be a decent person to get into the christian heaven. In practice it would be filled with awful people.

Christianity is a cult of human sacrifice. It's all about worshipping one guy who was sacrificed to atone for the evil of humanity. What kind of person you are is entirely secondary.

I'm surprised they're able to effectively peddle an ethic at all since it's really not that important.
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Old 05-13-2018, 12:37 PM   #52
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"Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: "Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened." Since then I have spent well-nigh 50 years working on the history of our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: "Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened."
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Humanity will never learn.

"Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: "Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened." Since then I have spent well-nigh 50 years working on the history of our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: "Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened."
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Old 05-13-2018, 03:06 PM   #54
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God didn't put people in trances to write the Bible, that's a false narrative.

"God isn't going to reveal Himself to "you" when "you" are basically calling him a liar.

Instruction manual to get to Heaven? not in a million years.... it's not about what any of us do(works) rather what Christ did for us.
I'm referring to people, not God.
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Old 05-13-2018, 03:17 PM   #55
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I'm referring to people, not God.
...you're going to have to be more specific.
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...you're going to have to be more specific.
My post references why people are leaving the church. Itís not because of God, itís because of people. The stuff I said mentions what people at church are teaching, and that people are leaving church because it doesnít make any logical sense.

Iím not out lying about God, as you said.

Spiritual, not religious, is another way people are referencing the nones. People arenít leaving God, theyíre leaving the church. Big difference.
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Humanity will never learn.

"Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: "Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened." Since then I have spent well-nigh 50 years working on the history of our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: "Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened."
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So it was Atheism ( lack of belief in fairy tales) and not communism (an ideology that invariably ends up with mass death)?

Communism gets a pass?

Derp. That's like directly blaming christianity for the Nazis.

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Its almost like this has followed the trend in the drop in morality in this country.
what specifically does this mean?
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