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Old 05-16-2018, 10:08 PM  
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Trump is a racist scumbag: exhibit 932

Before you can convince people to commit atrocities against a group of people you:

- blame them for all the ills of society
- dehumanize them

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/u...s-animals.html

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Trump lashed out at undocumented immigrants during a White House meeting on Wednesday, warning in front of news cameras that dangerous people were clamoring to breach the country’s borders and branding such people “animals.”
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Old 05-17-2018, 07:52 AM   #61
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Was Trump also talking about MS-13 when he said Mexicans were rapists and drug dealers during his announcement to run for President?
Fer****ssake, at this point it has gone beyond willful ignorance to purposeful lying.

He didn't say 'Mexicans [a]re rapists and drug dealers.'

Start with the accurate quote;

"When Mexico sends people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people,"

And when you've gotten the purposeful lying out of your system, we might be able to move on to discussion of the actual dynamics he was referencing.
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Old 05-17-2018, 08:25 AM   #62
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Fer****ssake, at this point it has gone beyond willful ignorance to purposeful lying.

He didn't say 'Mexicans [a]re rapists and drug dealers.'

Start with the accurate quote;

"When Mexico sends people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people,"

And when you've gotten the purposeful lying out of your system, we might be able to move on to discussion of the actual dynamics he was referencing.
Wow, people are still trying to defend that quote. How awesome.

Want to talk about lying? Okay. Let's start with the first part of the first sentence. "When Mexico sends people,". Mexico isn't "sending" anyone.

So Trump starts with a lie. So we can either say he is talking about a fictional scenario where Mexico is sending people. Or we can say he is talking about immigrants in general.

Its okay. I understand. I think conservatives and republicans are racists, bigots, idiots, and some, I assume, are good people.
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Old 05-17-2018, 08:40 AM   #63
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Whether it's by crossing the U.S. border with a "coyote" or buying a fake U.S. passport, a foreign national who enters the U.S. illegally can be both convicted of a crime and held responsible for a civil violation under U.S immigration laws.

The penalties and consequences get progressively more severe if a illegal invader enters illegally more than once, or enters illegally after an order of removal(deportation) or having been convicted of an aggravated felony.

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Old 05-17-2018, 08:43 AM   #64
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Wow, people are still trying to defend that quote. How awesome.

Want to talk about lying? Okay. Let's start with the first part of the first sentence. "When Mexico sends people,". Mexico isn't "sending" anyone.

So Trump starts with a lie. So we can either say he is talking about a fictional scenario where Mexico is sending people. Or we can say he is talking about immigrants in general.

Its okay. I understand. I think conservatives and republicans are racists, bigots, idiots, and some, I assume, are good people.
I wonder how much us taxpayers spent on the six years you spent at LU getting your four year degree in eco-feminism?
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Old 05-17-2018, 08:47 AM   #65
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I wonder how much us taxpayers spent on the six years you spent at LU getting your four year degree in eco-feminism?
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Old 05-17-2018, 08:48 AM   #66
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Fer****ssake, at this point it has gone beyond willful ignorance to purposeful lying.

He didn't say 'Mexicans [a]re rapists and drug dealers.'

Start with the accurate quote;

"When Mexico sends people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people,"

And when you've gotten the purposeful lying out of your system, we might be able to move on to discussion of the actual dynamics he was referencing.
I agree, this is just another permutation of that.

He isn't especially smart and he isn't good at speaking off the cuff. He can never articulate an understanding of issues that contains even the slightest sense of nuance, such as "Maybe I'd better say 'some of these people' are animals instead of saying 'these people are animals' (or whatever the quote was), because the media is going to run with that"

That's what's puzzling to me, how he can't seem to understand that, how he can continue to make the same unforced errors over and over. Not that this is some new revelation where he's finally boxed himself in to admitting he is a huge racist.
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Old 05-17-2018, 08:48 AM   #67
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Wow, people are still trying to defend that quote. How awesome.

Want to talk about lying? Okay. Let's start with the first part of the first sentence. "When Mexico sends people,". Mexico isn't "sending" anyone.
So Trump starts with a lie. So we can either say he is talking about a fictional scenario where Mexico is sending people. Or we can say he is talking about immigrants in general.

Its okay. I understand. I think conservatives and republicans are racists, bigots, idiots, and some, I assume, are good people.
Talk about naïve. Do you realize the benefit to Mexico from foreign receipts coming into their country from the US? Do you know the corruption in the Mexican gov't and US drug trafficking? Did the Mexican Gov't ever produce a pamphlet to help their struggling population and those crossing their southern border, on the best way to enter America and subvert our immigration laws?

Nothing to see here, move along...
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Old 05-17-2018, 08:55 AM   #68
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Old 05-17-2018, 08:59 AM   #69
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Could you look up the stats on how many illegal felon's were let go by sanctuary cities.

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Old 05-17-2018, 09:00 AM   #70
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Fer****ssake, at this point it has gone beyond willful ignorance to purposeful lying.

He didn't say 'Mexicans [a]re rapists and drug dealers.'

Start with the accurate quote;

"When Mexico sends people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people,"

And when you've gotten the purposeful lying out of your system, we might be able to move on to discussion of the actual dynamics he was referencing.
Most of what the left and TDs'ers do it make strawman arguments. Or they really just can't read with much comprehension—or well enough to make distinctions.
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Most of what the left and TDs'ers do it make strawman arguments. Or they really just can't read with much comprehension—or well enough to make distinctions.
Kind of like cravenly trying to conflate defense of accuracy with defense of the sentiment itself.

If these critics had any notion that they were on solid rhetorical ground, they would loudly and proudly cite the ACCURATE quote and then critique that.

Instead, they distort the quote beyond any intended reasonable bounds, then accuse you of defending the merits of the position as redefined by their lying distortion, rather than acknowledge that you are defending against their lying and distortion of the position.
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Old 05-17-2018, 09:18 AM   #72
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Talk about naïve. Do you realize the benefit to Mexico from foreign receipts coming into their country from the US? Do you know the corruption in the Mexican gov't and US drug trafficking? Did the Mexican Gov't ever produce a pamphlet to help their struggling population and those crossing their southern border, on the best way to enter America and subvert our immigration laws?

Nothing to see here, move along...
Yes, nothing to see but the crazy conspiracy ramblings.
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Fer****ssake, at this point it has gone beyond willful ignorance to purposeful lying.

He didn't say 'Mexicans [a]re rapists and drug dealers.'

Start with the accurate quote;

"When Mexico sends people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people,"

And when you've gotten the purposeful lying out of your system, we might be able to move on to discussion of the actual dynamics he was referencing.
I don't get how you refuted what I said. He is talking about people from Mexico who are coming over the border. You know, Mexicans. And then he said they're rapists who bring drugs and crime. There is no other sensible reading of what he said. And if you think I'm misinterpreting him, fine, but don't accuse me of being a liar unless you can put forth some evidence to support it.
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Kind of like cravenly trying to conflate defense of accuracy with defense of the sentiment itself.

If these critics had any notion that they were on solid rhetorical ground, they would loudly and proudly cite the ACCURATE quote and then critique that.

Instead, they distort the quote beyond any intended reasonable bounds, then accuse you of defending the merits of the position as redefined by their lying distortion, rather than acknowledge that you are defending against their lying and distortion of the position.
It's so mind bottling to see someone who seemingly prides themselves on communication defend a fool like Trump.
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Kind of like cravenly trying to conflate defense of accuracy with defense of the sentiment itself.

If these critics had any notion that they were on solid rhetorical ground, they would loudly and proudly cite the ACCURATE quote and then critique that.

Instead, they distort the quote beyond any intended reasonable bounds, then accuse you of defending the merits of the position as redefined by their lying distortion, rather than acknowledge that you are defending against their lying and distortion of the position.
We do.

I see you found another lazy defense to run with rather than actually address what people said about the quote.

Its almost like you are distorting the arguments beyond any intended reasonable bounds, then accusing them of defending the merits of the position as redefined by your lying distortion, rather than acknowledge that they are actually defending against your lies and distortions.
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