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Old 11-21-2013, 12:34 PM  
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Nuclear option by Reid

I know why he is doing this but I cannot see this being good for democrats. Its as if he and Obama will watch the majority crash and burn as long as Obama gets his way till midterms. Or maybe they have the numbers that show the Rs will have House and Sennate after midterms and they only have a year to do all the damage they can.
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Old 04-06-2017, 02:15 PM   #166
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Old 04-06-2017, 02:19 PM   #167
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Frankly, I see this as great news. The only party that could "get away" with breaking these rules was the Democrats, and now that the gates of hell are open, the conservatives on the right can drive a truck through it.
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Old 04-06-2017, 02:21 PM   #168
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Awesome^^^
HAHAHAHA!!!!

That one's excellent. He just said that the Republicans have just ensured no more centrist candidates by taking this route and it wasn't even 5 years ago that he advocated that the Democrats do exactly what I said the Republicans should be doing because that's exactly how the Democrats would've handled it.

And of course Loneiguana came along making no sense.

This thread is outstanding. Nice bump, lads.
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Old 04-06-2017, 02:29 PM   #169
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Old 04-06-2017, 02:33 PM   #170
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Given the current state of the GOP and the demographic changes in the electorate, there probably will not be a Republican president for a while. That probably played at least some small part in going ahead with the nuclear option.

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Old 04-06-2017, 02:50 PM   #171
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There's some serious gold in this thread. This ^^^ was one of my faves. LoneIdiot ranting against fillibustering judicial nominees.
You mean something changed after the GOP refused to hold a hearing?



/who actually got rid of the filibuster again?
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Old 04-06-2017, 02:56 PM   #172
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Senate approval by 60 votes for laws, treaties, and other actions remains a legitimate mechanism for ensuring minority rights to prevent tyranny of a majority. Senate approval by 60 votes for OPEN jobs has always been patently stupid; it has become precisely what we know it would be under such a system--a mechanism for the minority party to entrench themselves as petulant obstructionists. Period.

The difference is the first promotes a legitimate debate, even if it is frustrating at times, over substance and policy; the latter is merely a means of "taking your ball home" or throwing a temper tantrum, not aimed at substance or policy...but to prevent legitimate government business from being conducted.

The idea this is a "nuclear option" is histrionic hyperbole aimed at preserving obstructionist's "right" for throwing a temper tantrum over precisely WHO ought to be hired for certain jobs. It's just another example of politicians choosing to act as petulant and spoiled brats and refusing to be adults. SUrprise, surprise.
I said it then, and I stand by it today. On top of it, the Dems brought it on themselves by striking first. Wah.
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Old 04-06-2017, 02:57 PM   #173
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You mean something changed after the GOP refused to hold a hearing?



/who actually got rid of the filibuster again?
I'm gonna post this because I love it when liberal rags like the NYTimes even prove what a dumb **** you are..

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What is the ‘nuclear option’?

This is what Mr. McConnell has threatened if Democrats muster enough votes to filibuster Judge Gorsuch. By a simple majority, Republicans would change the Senate’s rules to abolish the ability of a minority to filibuster Supreme Court confirmation votes. The term was apparently coined by Senate Republicans around 2003, when they threatened to use the tactic to defeat Democrats who were blocking votes on some of President George W. Bush’s appeals court nominees. It was meant to evoke horror, because the power play would undermine the Senate’s purported character as a collegial and debate-friendly body, making it more like the rough-and-tumble House of Representatives.

Would that be unprecedented?

No. It would be an expansion of a precedent set by Democrats in 2013, when they had a Senate majority and used the nuclear option to eliminate some other types of filibusters. Both parties have been engaged in a tit-for-tat escalation of partisan warfare over judgeships for a generation, from the Senate’s defeat of President Ronald Reagan’s nomination of Judge Robert Bork to the Supreme Court in 1987 through its refusal to take up President Barack Obama’s nomination of Judge Merrick B. Garland last year.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/03/u...such.html?_r=0
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So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.
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Old 04-06-2017, 02:59 PM   #174
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I'm gonna post this because I love it when liberal rags like the NYTimes even prove what a dumb **** you are..



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/03/u...such.html?_r=0
Which party got rid of the filibuster again?
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Old 04-06-2017, 03:01 PM   #175
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Here's the funny part, the Democrats implemented the 60 vote rule in 2003, then moved away from it save the SCOTUS in 2013 and now want to blame the R's for everything.

Senate Democrats’ misleading language on a 60-vote ‘standard’ for Supreme Court nomineeshttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/02/02/senate-democrats-misleading-language-on-a-60-vote-standard-for-supremer-court-nominees/?utm_term=.f568515cfb3b
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So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.
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Old 04-06-2017, 03:03 PM   #176
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Which party got rid of the filibuster again?
I literally just posted an article from the NY Times that answers that. WOW!
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So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.
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Which party got rid of the filibuster again?
Literally from the post you quoted but obviously didn't read

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It would be an expansion of a precedent set by Democrats in 2013, when they had a Senate majority and used the nuclear option to eliminate some other types of filibusters.
JFC are you really that stupid?
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So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.
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Old 04-06-2017, 03:15 PM   #178
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I personally don't understand why republicans are against it. Have there such a lack of confidence in themselves. In the future there will be a republican president and a republican controlled senate. Then there can pursue there policies. Maybe in future politics will be more radical which might not be a bad thing.

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There's some serious gold in this thread. This ^^^ was one of my faves. LoneIdiot ranting against fillibustering judicial nominees.
You smacked it right in the pussy with this unearthing.
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