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Old 11-03-2016, 09:11 PM  
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*** Official 2017 Royals Offseason Repository ***

The reign is over. Time to begin the quest for the next one.

Interesting offseason opens for the Royals. Will they go all in for one last shot with this crew? Will they re-tool for 2018 and beyond? Will Dayton Moore actually decrease payroll this time?

Trades, free agent signings, rumors, plans, proposals... dump 'em all here, for this is... the offseason repository!

Royals Top Prospects, 2017

This is a list that’s going to seem a little bleak initially, as Raul Mondesi got enough ABs to age out of the prospect rankings (just barely – at 135 ABs, he is not rookie eligible). But that said, I like the talent and feel like this is a system that will actually be underrated by the prospect services.

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Old 01-05-2017, 12:09 PM   #1096
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Eh, I've said this a dozen times and will continue to do so, I put only a little more stock in dWAR than I do batting average. WAR as a dispositive tool has led to some very silly decisions (I'm looking at you, Jason Heyward).
Nothing wrong using the eye test here. He's stolen 34,36,26,30 bases in part time play and his speed in the OF is pretty much inarguable. So we know he's got a ton of value on the bases and in the field just by watching him, and you tack on a 91 wRC+ at the plate and....you get a valuable player by any view.


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Though being a pending FA isn't a selling point when the player he's being compared to (or traded for) would have team control which, by it's very definition, allows you to walk away with no commitment via releasing a pre-arb player or non-tendering one that's in his arb years. Every team in baseball would rather have a pre-arb or 1st/2nd year arb player than a pending FA.
Of course, but those players aren't attainable. Not without paying a high cost. For inexpensive alternatives, you don't want to be on the hook for out-years esp with a guy over 30.
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Old 01-05-2017, 12:10 PM   #1097
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Well, every team wants to win games. I doubt many would turn down value if they could get it.

Dyson's last 4 years of fWAR: 2.5, 3.0, 1.8, 3.1. All in part time duty. He would fill valuable bench time for every MLB team. There are $10M players who don't have that production in full time play.

His contract status is actually a selling point. He's dirt cheap and wouldn't cost a top-50 prospect or anything. Plus you're done with him after this year when his speed value declines - no commitment. If I were a team looking at 81 wins or so, I'd definitely kick the tires on him to see if I could get over the hump.

(As you say however, that's exactly where the Royals are and why they're unlikely to trade him off)
The royals are a team staring at an 81 win season.
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Old 01-05-2017, 12:17 PM   #1098
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Of course, but those players aren't attainable. Not without paying a high cost. For inexpensive alternatives, you don't want to be on the hook for out-years esp with a guy over 30.
Hey, I've got a big ol' fatass 1b who has seasons where he hit 17 and 16 HRs in fewer than 300 ABs. You've got him for at least 2 years cheap as he reaches his prime seasons.

I mean I know those guys usually come with a high price tag but I like you. You seem like an honest fella. I'll make you a hell of a deal and throw in the undercoating free of charge. Afterall, I'd rather make a friend than a profit...friend.
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Old 01-05-2017, 12:28 PM   #1099
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Hey, I've got a big ol' fatass 1b who has seasons where he hit 17 and 16 HRs in fewer than 300 ABs. You've got him for at least 2 years cheap as he reaches his prime seasons.

I mean I know those guys usually come with a high price tag but I like you. You seem like an honest fella. I'll make you a hell of a deal and throw in the undercoating free of charge. Afterall, I'd rather make a friend than a profit...friend.
I don't know the Cards like you guys do obv, but when they fell just short I wondered what a Dyson would've done there. I just looked up your OF innings played and was shocked you played Old Man Moss out there so often. I probably misread that, and Hazelbaker.

Dyson would've netted you 2+ wins and gotten you into the playoffs, probably. And I'll take Adams on a DFA. He has value, I'm not saying I wouldn't plug him in at DH. Or Moss!
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Old 01-05-2017, 12:49 PM   #1100
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The issue isn't even Dyson's value in a vacuum, IMO. It's Dyson's value to the Royals relative to his value elsewhere.

If both players were just sitting on the street and you just picked teams at random to say "who would you rather have", there are some teams that would actually pick Adams over Dyson. I'd say probably 2-1 Dyson to Adams, but nothing unanimous. Their value, in a vacuum, while a little different isn't exponentially so due to Dyson's age and pending FA status.

But for the Royals, the guy's just so important. He's an extremely nice fit for what they do and what they need.

Personally, I'm not a huge Dyson fan. I don't think he's a genuine .340 OBP player because you can knock the bat out of his hands and I think full-time exposure to LH pitching will hurt his rate stats significantly. He's also a guy on the wrong side of his prime who gets his value from his legs. That said, I understand the value that the Royals are putting on him because he's that important to them AND there are other teams that would use him in a similar fashion and to similar impact.

And yes, I'd still dump Adams for him because **** Matt Adams. Anybody who is a professional athlete who can't be bothered to take care of his body can just **** right off. I watched that guy's hamstring explode while on a light jog because the fat, sweaty bastard can't be bothered to stretch and/or take his fitness seriously. He gets hurt annually because he won't stay in shape and his body can't handle the stress of regular playing time. The guy is a genuinely talented hitter but he just doesn't give a shit.

So I wouldn't be bothered if the Cardinals simply non-tendered him. Guys that think they've arrived and simply don't do the work annoy the hell out of me.

If you're the sort who places value in WAR, Dyson is top 75 in baseball since 2013, and that's in a limited role.

If you use him appropriately and limit his exposure, he's a guy who should give you an easy 2.5-3 WAR as the strong side of a platoon.

I don't think it's just the royals who can find tremendous value in Dyson. It's any team that can carve out that type of role for him. Pair him with a guy who murders lefties and can at least play a neutral OF, and you're talking about a 5ish WAR position player.

The Cardinals aren't one of those teams, I don't think, with Fowler and Piscotty and Grichuk, unless Grichuk is as relegated to a short side platoon role. So I don't see it working there.




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Oh the Coyotes are moving to Tempe. Putting them in Glendale was an epic disaster that literally almost cost the state an NHL team(not that many people out here would care anyway)
I went to a couple of Coyote games when I went to spring training a few years ago. They were a lot of fun, but the visiting team had more fans attending each game.
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That's a pretty good deal for KC, IMO.

Karns has some very promising peripherals. There are health issues there and frankly he may have Dave Bush/Ricky Nolasco disease where his overall performance just never catches up to his leading indicators.

But Karns has plus #3 potential, IMO. You're running into some age problems with him at this point (if he hasn't found it by 29, is he going to?), but I like his stuff. Like most young pitchers, it will be refinement in his command that tells the tale here.
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Billy Burns' acquisition made me believe that Dyson's departure was all but inevitable.

Though I wish we could have found more of a "sure thing", one can't be too choosy when their bargaining chip is 1 year of a 4th outfielder (albeit one of the best in baseball).
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