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Old 09-18-2015, 09:43 AM  
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Andy Reid is a terrible head football coach

Seriously.

This guy is terrible at game management...which is really the #1 job of a head coach, above and beyond all the other things some coaches do and others don't, they ALL have one thing in common : game management.

People make the excuse, "well, that's who he is. He was like that in Philly. Good Andy/Bad Andy."

Well, I know if any one of us ****'s up constantly, and don't learn and don't change the stupid tendecies, then we don't have a job anymore.

His failure to adapt his "strategy" to something more than a 9 year old's Madden technique is more than maddening - it's flat out ****ing unacceptable.

If I was Clark Hunt, and I watched that embarrassing shitshow that went out over national TV last night, Reid's ass is in my office 1st thing this morning and I might fire him. Seriously. That was horrific.

I find it unfathomable that a coach of some 20+ years NFL experience (16 or 17 as HC) is so blitheringly ignorant of basic situational football.
1st qtr, 1st and goal from the 2. RUN THE BALL 4 STRAIGHT TIMES IF YOU HAVE TO. The all time leader in NFL rushing average is in the backfield...or is Reid thinking about Burnt ends??

1st and goal with 90 sec at the end of the half - you lead 14-7, their offense just got some momentum, so...END THE HALF with 3 kneel downs and go in the locker room leading by 7. 14, because it's 21-7 if you run with Jamal at goal to go on the 1st series.

Take the guy getting toasted out of the game - Jemel Phlegming SUCKS. maybe Reid started Sanders and Manning in his fantasy team??


After Knile Davis goes UNTOUCHED for an 8 yd TD scamper in the 4th, you keep feeding those fresh legs the ball, and never relinquish the lead.

****, that sequence at the end of the 1st half was ABYSMAL. Reid and his staff should be FIRED for gross incompetence. Before that mini-shitshow, Denver didn't even think they could play football anymore, and 5head looked like he was ready to lay down and die.

This is ALL on the coaching staff. They threw this game.*

Andy Reid should be held accountable.

Instead...he gets a paycheck and a mixed plate.

How is this guy a head coach??

DAMN NEAR ANYONE ON CP COULD HAVE CALLED A BETTER GAME THAN ANDY FAT SHITSHOW REID LAST NIGHT...

He wins most of the games he should, based on talent alone...

How does he keep jobs?? How is Clark not roasting his ass right ****ing now!!!???

What will it take, blowing a 50 point lead in the playoffs???

(Don't know if it was intentional or just a byproduct of Reid's now-obvious incompetence...but make no mistake - this game was ours and Reid GAVE IT AWAY. INEXCUSABLE.)

But why should Reid care??

He's gonna be eating KC BBQ for the next 5-6 years.


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Old 09-21-2018, 02:32 PM   #1456
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Well it's been there and the Patriots SB was when it really started. Dunno what to tell you if you didn't hear about it before here because the rest of us sure did (and Philly fans were all too happy to tell us about it and how Kelly was the hero they deserved).

And it's just so silly because it just ignores basic math. When a guy needs two scores, you can't just say 'focus on saving time for the 2nd one' nor can you put all your attention on the 1st one. It's a combined probability thing.

If you're the head coach in that situation you have to do everything you can to increase that final number in the equation. You don't do everything you can to get the 1st score if it puts the odds of the 2nd score down to 0%. Nor can you focus entirely on getting the 2nd if it puts the odds on the first unreasonably low.

It's all about balancing those 2 probabilities because in the end, you gotta combine them. And when you're looking at a situation where best case scenario you have about a 60% chance of getting the 1st score and a maybe 20% chance of getting the 2nd score, you're looking at a likely best possible odds situation of about 10-15% that you manage to get them both; basic combined probability.

So when that's the set of numbers you're looking at, how can just about any approach be seen as categorically wrong? You may have done it differently, but that doesn't make you right. It doesn't make you wrong. When you're looking at long odds either direction, at best you're talking about 2 approaches that are equally arguable. Which is where I get to my "just about every coach is equally adept at it" argument - because it's largely a crapshoot in most instance anyway and it's virtually always an outcome controlled by execution.

That's why I say so much of this is rearview mirror rationalizing. The folks that do it wait until after it's decided and then say 'well he failed so clearly he screwed up...'. No, he failed because his odds of success were staggeringly long anyway. And maybe a different approach yields a couple percentage points in either direction, but maybe not. That's why it's so damn ridiculous to just take it as faith that "Andy screwed up the clock again..."

In both situations, Reid scored a TD and had 3 timeouts left with a chance to get the ball back in one of two ways. When the mountain you had to climb was a 2 score deficit with 5-6 minutes left against a team that's trying to milk the clock and keep balls in front of them, what the hell else can you ask for? What set of miracle decisions could've been made that would've been obviously accurate and obviously better than the ones he made? Those are the questions you have to ask and the answer are almost always "uhhh......"

That's the kind of crap that creates the narrative. Then people just move the goalposts anytime he loses. He loses the Colts game "Andy's too aggressive!!!!" He loses the Titans game "Andy's too passive!!!!"

And the monster continues to feed itself regardless of what happens. When a Reid team loses a game that they had a lead in the 2nd half - It's Andy's fault because he was either too aggressive or not aggressive enough. When Reid's team loses a game that he didn't have a lead in the 2nd half, who cares about the fact that his team had been outplayed to that point? It's still because Reid just didn't manage the clock right; couldn't just be that the other team was better that day (and the Patriots were undeniably better in both of those Pats post-season losses).

It's just bitching for the sake of bitching.
While I don't agree with everything you've said I do agree that those pitfalls for HC's exist including our own. You're last remark is particularly interesting to me because at the end of the day, if the Chiefs lose, I go back to considering who was the better team that day. If we were outplayed but missed an opportunity, that's usually how I view the loss...didn't deserve to win.
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Old 09-22-2018, 12:41 PM   #1457
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Andy Reid is a terrible head football coach

Where is this national media narrative that Andy's offense is great the first 5 weeks but sucks the rest of the year? Last year? Alex Smith?

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Old 09-22-2018, 01:07 PM   #1458
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Where is this national media narrative that Andy's offense is great the first 5 weeks but sucks the rest of the year? Last year? Alex Smith?
That's my guess, Mr. KChiefs1. They're referring to last year's slump because they have an assistant who writes down stuff for them that reads, "Say this right here. It will make you sound smarter than you really are."

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Old 09-22-2018, 01:29 PM   #1459
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Well it's been there and the Patriots SB was when it really started. Dunno what to tell you if you didn't hear about it before here because the rest of us sure did (and Philly fans were all too happy to tell us about it and how Kelly was the hero they deserved).

And it's just so silly because it just ignores basic math. When a guy needs two scores, you can't just say 'focus on saving time for the 2nd one' nor can you put all your attention on the 1st one. It's a combined probability thing.

If you're the head coach in that situation you have to do everything you can to increase that final number in the equation. You don't do everything you can to get the 1st score if it puts the odds of the 2nd score down to 0%. Nor can you focus entirely on getting the 2nd if it puts the odds on the first unreasonably low.

It's all about balancing those 2 probabilities because in the end, you gotta combine them. And when you're looking at a situation where best case scenario you have about a 60% chance of getting the 1st score and a maybe 20% chance of getting the 2nd score, you're looking at a likely best possible odds situation of about 10-15% that you manage to get them both; basic combined probability.

So when that's the set of numbers you're looking at, how can just about any approach be seen as categorically wrong? You may have done it differently, but that doesn't make you right. It doesn't make you wrong. When you're looking at long odds either direction, at best you're talking about 2 approaches that are equally arguable. Which is where I get to my "just about every coach is equally adept at it" argument - because it's largely a crapshoot in most instance anyway and it's virtually always an outcome controlled by execution.

That's why I say so much of this is rearview mirror rationalizing. The folks that do it wait until after it's decided and then say 'well he failed so clearly he screwed up...'. No, he failed because his odds of success were staggeringly long anyway. And maybe a different approach yields a couple percentage points in either direction, but maybe not. That's why it's so damn ridiculous to just take it as faith that "Andy screwed up the clock again..."

In both situations, Reid scored a TD and had 3 timeouts left with a chance to get the ball back in one of two ways. When the mountain you had to climb was a 2 score deficit with 5-6 minutes left against a team that's trying to milk the clock and keep balls in front of them, what the hell else can you ask for? What set of miracle decisions could've been made that would've been obviously accurate and obviously better than the ones he made? Those are the questions you have to ask and the answer are almost always "uhhh......"

That's the kind of crap that creates the narrative. Then people just move the goalposts anytime he loses. He loses the Colts game "Andy's too aggressive!!!!" He loses the Titans game "Andy's too passive!!!!"

And the monster continues to feed itself regardless of what happens. When a Reid team loses a game that they had a lead in the 2nd half - It's Andy's fault because he was either too aggressive or not aggressive enough. When Reid's team loses a game that he didn't have a lead in the 2nd half, who cares about the fact that his team had been outplayed to that point? It's still because Reid just didn't manage the clock right; couldn't just be that the other team was better that day (and the Patriots were undeniably better in both of those Pats post-season losses).

It's just bitching for the sake of bitching.
There are plenty of reasons why teams lose. But the playoffs are a time when 1-2 coaching decisions can make a big difference. If Reid felt "onsides of bust" it's a strange strategy as is, but even stranger to burn all clock on the first drive. The defense couldn't stop anybody. But the % chance of them coming up with a big stop is a hell of a lot higher than the % of onsides kicks (especially ones the other team knows is coming) that convert. It was a strange decision all-around. It's not just the Philly media market driving the narrative. When Reid did this in the Super Bowl, a confused bellichick and his assistants looked at each other and said "Were up 10 right? Were not missing something here?
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Old 09-22-2018, 01:33 PM   #1460
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Old 09-25-2018, 12:56 PM   #1461
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andy has 3x as much football wisdom in his body as that guy beside him

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You think Andy is stepping on his foot?
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Pretty sure you misspelled gravy, 3x as much gravy in him
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Someone (Clay), turn that play sheet into a Subway footlong.
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Someone (Clay), turn that play sheet into a Subway footlong.
did that a month ago

who do you think you're dealing with

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If Andy has no flaws, and everything is predicated upon talent and execution, then I say good luck building that roster of 22 All-Stars!
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Execution has everything to do with coaching.
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Execution has everything to do with coaching.
I didn't read all the posts, so.. Reid lost 3 playoff games simply because he almost completely abandoned the running game. Even with our top 2 running backs being injured in the Indy game, all he had to do was eat as much clock as possible with each second half possession, and we leave with a win.

Then against the Steelers and Titans he didn't even try to run the ball. Against Pittsburgh we had just 12 true running plays (Smith scrambles are not true runs) and lost by 2 after having the lead in the second half.

Against Tennessee once again we had 12 true running plays and lost by 1 after having the lead in the second half. And to make it worse, Kareem Hunt led the NFL in rushing and we handed the ball to him only 11 times.

Players weren't perfect in these three playoff losses, but we lost all of them directly due to Reid's piss poor game planning and play calling, and trash clock management.

Reid is such a joke in the playoffs that when asked to pick playoff game winners anonymous GMs made jokes to the media about "Bad Andy" not running the ball in the playoffs. And when he was canned in Philly, some Eagles fans visited Chiefsplanet just to let us know why they weren't sad to see him leave, for this exact reason.

Doing it once is a learning experience. Doing it 3 times in 5 years is bad coaching. And there was this stat: Only 4 teams in the Super Bowl era have given up 18 point second half leads in losing efforts in the playoffs. 2 OF THOSE 4 TEAMS ARE THE ANDY REID COACHED KANSAS CITY CHIEFS.

THAT'S BAD COACHING.

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