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Old 01-12-2018, 01:28 AM  
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LNBS: The case for Bob Sutton

2017: 15th ppg
2016: 7th ppg.
2015: 3ppg
2014: 2nd pg
2013: 5th ppg

I know we all have our pitch forks out. The Titans did not punt the 2nd half of the game. The first half we kicked ass until..... Chris Jones went out.

The defense sucked ass most of the year until December when Jones finally put it together. We missed Berry immensely. I get it coaches are paid to coach the guys they have. Without Jones and Nunes-Roaches in the playoffs we suffered immensely.

I still think Bob can get the job done. We need 1 more CB and a denfensive lineman.

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Old 01-12-2018, 02:59 PM   #61
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The defense plays with little emotion, edge or fire...and that's a lot of what defense is about. Enough said, he needs to go.
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Old 01-12-2018, 03:10 PM   #62
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Yards don't matter.
Yards are what separates the opposing team from the red zone nitwit
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Old 01-12-2018, 03:15 PM   #63
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I say stay 3-4. 4 -3 gets more un athletic with a bunch of extra fatties. I would rather see linebackers get after the QB than the d linemen. Plus you have more linebacker types on special teams. That said we need to stop the run I agree.
4-3 has changed. They are finding ways to find pressure packages just as effective as 3-4. The increasingly popular double A gap blitz featured by Jim Johnson years ago is a good example and it's a defense that relies on sending a lot of pressure from your LBs. These days, fronts don't matter all that much anyway since defenses are flexing the fronts and they play a ton of snaps in nickel anyway.
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Old 01-12-2018, 03:19 PM   #64
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Yards don't matter.
How about the fact that we gave up the most 1st downs in the NFL?
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Old 01-12-2018, 03:34 PM   #65
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How about the fact that we gave up the most 1st downs in the NFL?
Points though
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Old 01-12-2018, 03:36 PM   #66
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Points are the biggest factor obviously, but when you play bend dont break like that it's gonna skew the amount of possessions and limit points. Plus the CHiefs had the leading rusher in the NFL so offensively they hid the D a bit.

The defense just isn't aggressive enough.
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Old 01-12-2018, 03:38 PM   #67
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Points are the biggest factor obviously, but when you play bend dont break like that it's gonna skew the amount of possessions and limit points. Plus the CHiefs had the leading rusher in the NFL so offensively they hid the D a bit.

The defense just isn't aggressive enough.
Not covering for Sutton, but I can see why he plays bend donít break. We had no pass rush most of the year, our 2nd CB was getting burned deep repeatedly and our safeties couldnít tackle.

Idk that any coordinator could be aggressive under those circumstances.
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Old 01-12-2018, 03:39 PM   #68
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Points are the biggest factor obviously, but when you play bend dont break like that it's gonna skew the amount of possessions and limit points. Plus the CHiefs had the leading rusher in the NFL so offensively they hid the D a bit.

The defense just isn't aggressive enough.
Hard to be aggressive when you got Jarvis Jenkins on the Dline, Frank Zombo rushing, Mitchell covering with a lost Eric Murray.
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Old 01-12-2018, 03:44 PM   #69
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Sure personnel was a problem. But you're never gonna have 11 great players.

So wouldn't that make it Dorsey's fault?
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Old 01-12-2018, 03:47 PM   #70
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Sure personnel was a problem. But you're never gonna have 11 great players.

So wouldn't that make it Dorsey's fault?
He probably shouldn't have waited and then gave mega contracts to Houston and Berry.

Let's be honest though 2017 never mattered and his picks would indicate that (giving up what he did for Mahomes and drafting Tanoh) they were hamstrung by cap space. Yes you can pin that on Dorsey.
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How about the fact that we gave up the most 1st downs in the NFL?
#26 in opponent yards per play
#26 in opponent third down conversion percentage
#23 in opponent fourth down conversions

I mean, all up and down the sheet, this is a bottom third defense hiding behind a ball control offense.

Even though the offense managed to take care of the ball and run it well enough to be middle of the pack in time of possession, the defense still can't get off the field on third or fourth down, gave up the most first downs in the NFL as you said, and is prone to break in the critical spot at the end of a close game.

The offense was #10 in points scored in the 4th quarter, the defense was #25 in points allowed in the 4th quarter. This defense doesn't finish games.

They give the other team massive amounts of first downs and yards by any measure, they can't get off the field so they give the other team many more chances to beat them than they should otherwise have, and they wear down at the end of games and end up breaking when it matters.
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Old 01-12-2018, 03:48 PM   #72
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And yet they were what, 3 plays from having HFA thru the AFC?

They'll reload and be good again next year with the chance to be great in the near future.
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#26 in opponent yards per play
#26 in opponent third down conversion percentage
#23 in opponent fourth down conversions

I mean, all up and down the sheet, this is a bottom third defense hiding behind a ball control offense.

Even though the offense managed to take care of the ball and run it well enough to be middle of the pack in time of possession, the defense still can't get off the field on third or fourth down, gave up the most first downs in the NFL as you said, and is prone to break in the critical spot at the end of a close game.

The offense was #10 in points scored in the 4th quarter, the defense was #25 in points allowed in the 4th quarter. This defense doesn't finish games.

They give the other team massive amounts of first downs and yards by any measure, they can't get off the field so they give the other team many more chances to beat them than they should otherwise have, and they wear down at the end of games and end up breaking when it matters.
'Nuff said, really. The defense being a handicap is the story of the 2017 Chiefs.

I don't see how the same people who hate Alex Smith can defend Bob Sutton keeping his job. Both have been serviceable and we can thank them for their efforts over the last 5 years but they've had their chances and it's time to go. The difference between the two is that Bob Sutton's last year sucked by any and every measurable statistic possible.
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For a board that wants to run Smith out of town for the fact he can't get it done in the playoffs, Sutton is guilty of the same sins.
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For a board that wants to run Smith out of town for the fact he can't get it done in the playoffs, Sutton is guilty of the same sins.
I am okay with running both of them out of town.
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