2012 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread

[alnorth]

2012 Slogan: Our Time

A better, more accurate 2012 Slogan: It is Finally Next Year
(from Great Expectations)

An alternative slogan if you don't like that one: Someone has to win this crappy division
(from alnorth)

With the beginning of a new year, it is time for the 2012 version of the Royals Repository Thread. We've got Hosmer, we've got a 2011-dominating Gordon, we've got Moose, we've got hopefully a killer bullpen, we've got a stereotypical slow slugging DH, we've got easily one of the best defensive shortstops in the AL, we've got a promising catcher in Salvador Perez. Hell, we've got offense and promising prospects galore.

We do not have starting pitching.

Oh yeah, we've also got this:



Get ready for, (as of January 2012 anyway), one of the most confusing puzzles of a baseball season in recent Royals history. Will they suck? Maybe, I don't know. Will we be given a year of 0.500 baseball? Possibly, I don't know. Will they win the division and go to the playoffs for the first time in 27 years? For the first time in a long time, it could happen, I don't know. 92 losses, 92 wins, or anything in between would not surprise a lot of us.

Everything goes here except Gameday threads and really big news. If a giant story breaks, the Royals achieve some awesome milestone, or we sign/lose a highly significant player/coach/mascot/whatever, then it might also deserve its own thread. This being Chiefs Planet, please do not clutter the board with new threads about trivial Royals news or you will only annoy those who come here for just Chiefs football. If you aren't sure and its not a Gameday thread, it goes here.

What sort of stuff often goes here? SPchief explained it well, so I'll just copy that:

If you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

[Canofbier]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Is he though? Im starting to get the feeling that hes going to be "solid" but not a Superstar like everyone originally thought. Kind of like another Alex Gordon.

Gordon is already one of the league's best LF. Very good defensively, and his production at the plate is pretty strong as well. It took him a while to get here, but I think he should be considered to be a bit better than "solid" at this point. How do you think he compares to his peers? I would put him up with Braun, Holliday and Hamilton. Each of those three has better offensive production (although Gordon's second half is arguably similar: OPS of .871 and 45 RBI in 77 games), but none have anywhere near the defensive value Gordon does.

I'd say Hosmer's potential at the plate is better even than Gordon's; I think that we can expect him to eventually produce at a level above what he did his rookie year, as his skills grow and he develops as a Major League hitter. If he can reduce some of the errors he was responsible for this season, he could also be one of the better defensive 1B in the game. Unless he fails to develop in either or both of these areas, I don't think it's a stretch to expect him to be one of the better 1B in the league over the course of his career.

[petegz28]

You can't trade both Hosmer and Myers. That's insane. Really I wouldn't trade either but one must give to get. The question you have to ask is, do you want Frenchy playing RF or Billay playing 1st base?

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by Canofbier

Gordon is already one of the league's best LF. Very good defensively, and his production at the plate is pretty strong as well. It took him a while to get here, but I think he should be considered to be a bit better than "solid" at this point. How do you think he compares to his peers? I would put him up with Braun, Holliday and Hamilton. Each of those three has better offensive production (although Gordon's second half is arguably similar: OPS of .871 and 45 RBI in 77 games), but none have anywhere near the defensive value Gordon does.

I'd say Hosmer's potential at the plate is better even than Gordon's; I think that we can expect him to eventually produce at a level above what he did his rookie year, as his skills grow and he develops as a Major League hitter. If he can reduce some of the errors he was responsible for this season, he could also be one of the better defensive 1B in the game. Unless he fails to develop in either or both of these areas, I don't think it's a stretch to expect him to be one of the better 1B in the league over the course of his career.

hes great definsively. I just meant a true "Superstar" like a 35-40 HR guy who can drive in 120+ runs. When will the Royals get one of those guys?

[BWillie]

If they trade anybody it should be Moustakas, Myers, or Bubba.

[ChiefsCountry]

I could live with trading Hosmer for David Price.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I could live with trading Hosmer for David Price.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Hey dumb**** we aren't talking a straight trade you ****ing moron.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Literature

What's happening?

I haven’t seen the source, but something to the effect of:

- We’ve already given up on re-signing Guthrie because he wants a 3rd year.

- We signed Volstad (sp?), who appears to be another Hoch, out of the clearance bin.

- Dayton Moore’s comments were a pretty clear indication that payroll will be the same in 2013 as it was in 2012.

- KC has been mentioned in a trade for one of the Mariners top 3 pitching prospects, who will not be in the majors until the end of 2013 (at the soonest). Rany says it’s a bad sign that the KC front office is set on spending ZERO money in 2013 and will depend 100% on prospects for 2014 and beyond.

[gblowfish]

A poster said KC Royals marketing slogan in 2013 should be "Play Good Baseball."

Yep. Spot on.

Same old crap in a brand new box. No starting pitching, 90 loss season. Guaranteed.

[gblowfish]

A poster said KC Royals marketing slogan in 2013 should be "Play Good Baseball."

Yep. Spot on.

Same old crap in a brand new box. No starting pitching, 90 loss season. Guaranteed.

[siberian khatru]

Originally Posted by BWillie007

If they trade anybody it should be Moustakas, Myers, or Bubba.

I wonder which Moose we're liable to get from here on out -- first-half Moose or second-half Moose?

First-half bat, with that glove, even if he gets no better than that, he's a keeper.

Second-half bat, even if he fields better than Brooks Robinson and Graig Nettles combined, ain't gonna cut it.

And if the truth lies somewhere in between -- basically what he averaged out to at .240/.300/.400 -- I don't think that's good enough.

But that's debatable. His overall 2012 line (including fielding) was worth 2.9 WAR, which puts him 10th among MLB 3B and FIFTH among AL 3B. Not too shabby. For comparison, Ryan Zimmerman was 3.8 WAR.

Again, though, a good chunk of that is Moose's defense.

So how much bat can that glove carry?

[jbwm89]

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I wonder which Moose we're liable to get from here on out -- first-half Moose or second-half Moose?

First-half bat, with that glove, even if he gets no better than that, he's a keeper.

Second-half bat, even if he fields better than Brooks Robinson and Graig Nettles combined, ain't gonna cut it.

And if the truth lies somewhere in between -- basically what he averaged out to at .240/.300/.400 -- I don't think that's good enough.

But that's debatable. His overall 2012 line (including fielding) was worth 2.9 WAR, which puts him 10th among MLB 3B and FIFTH among AL 3B. Not too shabby. For comparison, Ryan Zimmerman was 3.8 WAR.

Again, though, a good chunk of that is Moose's defense.

So how much bat can that glove carry?

Gotta think the bat will come around and be consistent, at least to a point.

I just keep reminding myself how young these hitters are, they are going to be very inconsistent. Look how long it took Billy to put it all together.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I wonder which Moose we're liable to get from here on out -- first-half Moose or second-half Moose?

First-half bat, with that glove, even if he gets no better than that, he's a keeper.

Second-half bat, even if he fields better than Brooks Robinson and Graig Nettles combined, ain't gonna cut it.

And if the truth lies somewhere in between -- basically what he averaged out to at .240/.300/.400 -- I don't think that's good enough.

But that's debatable. His overall 2012 line (including fielding) was worth 2.9 WAR, which puts him 10th among MLB 3B and FIFTH among AL 3B. Not too shabby. For comparison, Ryan Zimmerman was 3.8 WAR.

Again, though, a good chunk of that is Moose's defense.

So how much bat can that glove carry?

All stats aside. I think Moose is a guy that can bring some much needed fire and leadership to the team as he matures.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by gblowfish

A poster said KC Royals marketing slogan in 2013 should be "Play Good Baseball."

Yep. Spot on.

Same old crap in a brand new box. No starting pitching, 90 loss season. Guaranteed.

Ive completely given up hope that this can be a competitive franchise again with Glass at the helm.. Ill always be a fan, i just will keep my expectations very, very low. They are what they are.

[KCUnited]

We just need the right 53 mph Chen fastball.